RE: Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!
February 24, 2010 at 12:00 am
(This post was last modified: February 24, 2010 at 4:32 am by tackattack.)
(February 23, 2010 at 10:20 am)chatpilot Wrote:shared Assumptions:
1- Ok if God exists, he is omniscience. Agreed definition of omniscience.
2-Man has free will. Agreed definition of free will.
3-Morality is lacking in Man, God is not. Agreed definition of societal morality as an axiomatic morality universal to conscious entities.
4-This aspect of omniscience is relatable to God's plan. Agreed subjectivity of "God's plan".
A- Question: If God's plan is so perfect, why does he have to punish us to get us to believe?
B- Question: Why did God give us free will if it was only to set mankind up to fail and not be able to live up to his ridiculous standards of morality?
If that above is all correct I'll take a shot at it.
A. - Take the analogy of a father to his child (which is a biblical one). If I were to create a son (which I did), he were to have no knowledge of this universe and would have to learn to distinguish and define things. Red = red =/= blue. Now A&E had no discernment (read knowledge of good and evil) before they chose to disobey God. They had defines lion=lion and tree=tree, but prior to the tree they were all creations of God with equal value, no discernment as to better or worse, just a definition. We disobeyed God by choosing curiosity over acceptance. This added discernment to definition. Now we saw things as red = red = bad. This rebuking of God also seperated us from God's plan thus kicking off the first act of defiance by free will. Punishment in this case is a seperation of God and reliance on subjective discernment. Belief is a choice and when you choose not to believe and to figure it out for yourself you are responsible for the consequences. I can tell my son that prostitutes are illegal and carry disease. If he chooses to go try for himself, I didn't make him verify what I was saying, he didn't chose the path of acceptance. I don't punish him, I go get him from jail and take him to the doctor and hope that he's leaned from his experience.
B-free will described in A allows us to learn how to be like God. If he created perfect little beings with all the knowledge of right and wrong we would have no discernment as to what to attribute it to. We're learning what constantly what's right and wrong and what's true and false. I'd personally prefer not to be an automaton with no ability to reason or discern.
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