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From atheism to Christianity? How so?
RE: From atheism to Christianity? How so?
(January 2, 2014 at 12:41 am)agapelove Wrote: What I am saying is that we were designed to make a free choice, and God honored the choice and preplanned a redeemer to compensate.
I understand what you are saying. but freedom to choose cannot exist in a scenario where the outcome has already been predetermined. Did god prepare a redeemer in case humanity fell, or did he prepare a redeemer because he knew humanity would fall? Your prior comments imply the latter, hence my reasoning. If the fall of humanity was a foregone conclusion, then it had no choice in the matter, and thus no freedom to act.
Quote:Your interpretation of Genesis 6 is one of a few different possibilities. Some say the Sons of God were men and not angels.
Genesis 6 clearly differentiates between humans and "Sons of God." If they are not angels, then they would have to be some other species or a race of super-humans. The most reasonable explanation would be that it refers to angels, IMO.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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