RE: From atheism to Christianity? How so?
January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2014 at 8:06 pm by RDK.)
(January 3, 2014 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote:I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.(January 2, 2014 at 9:57 pm)RDK Wrote: If prayers got no results, no one would bother. RIGHT ON!
And it's here that someone should point out that, in the real world, all the followers of every other god that has ever existed, that you think isn't real and thus could not answer prayers, nevertheless still prayed. Evidently, prayer can get no results and still be done.
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote:If a man believes that a certain experience happened to him, why don't you consider that maybe there is a rational answer to that which you do not understand. I remember once a long time ago that certain scientists were convinced that the world was flat. Those who differed from their beliefs on the subject were considered crazy, even though they were right. Even distorted testimony by someone bears proving out...that is the scientific principle!(January 3, 2014 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: And it's here that someone should point out that, in the real world, all the followers of every other god that has ever existed, that you think isn't real and thus could not answer prayers, nevertheless still prayed. Evidently, prayer can get no results and still be done.I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote:I was a rationalist too before I became Christian. I could not accept the notion of a loving God in a world where everything is in turmoil. Why couldn't He just fix everything and make it right. Couldn't He just talk out loud and clear up the confusion. One God? Where did all of these confusing religions come from anyway.(January 3, 2014 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: And it's here that someone should point out that, in the real world, all the followers of every other god that has ever existed, that you think isn't real and thus could not answer prayers, nevertheless still prayed. Evidently, prayer can get no results and still be done.I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote: I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.If a man believes that a certain experience happened to him, why don't you consider that maybe there is a rational answer to that which you do not understand. I remember once a long time ago that certain scientists were convinced that the world was flat. Those who differed from their beliefs on the subject were considered crazy, even though they were right. Even distorted testimony by someone bears proving out...that is the scientific principle!
I don't blame any atheist at all for seeing clearly what is in front of his own eyes. You would be dishonest to yourself to think any other way.
Use the intelligence that you have to consider the positive things that Agape has shared. I believe from the content that he is not lying to any of you.
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote:(January 3, 2014 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: And it's here that someone should point out that, in the real world, all the followers of every other god that has ever existed, that you think isn't real and thus could not answer prayers, nevertheless still prayed. Evidently, prayer can get no results and still be done.I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the importance of another reality with proofs all of their own.
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote: I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.If a man believes that a certain experience happened to him, why don't you consider that maybe there is a rational answer to that which you do not understand. I remember once a long time ago that certain scientists were convinced that the world was flat. Those who differed from their beliefs on the subject were considered crazy, even though they were right. Even distorted testimony by someone bears proving out...that is the scientific principle!
(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote: I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.I was a rationalist too before I became Christian. I could not accept the notion of a loving God in a world where everything is in turmoil. Why couldn't He just fix everything and make it right. Couldn't He just talk out loud and clear up the confusion. One God? Where did all of these confusing religions come from anyway.
If a man believes that a certain experience happened to him, why don't you consider that maybe there is a rational answer to that which you do not understand. I remember once a long time ago that certain scientists were convinced that the world was flat. Those who differed from their beliefs on the subject were considered crazy, even though they were right. Even distorted testimony by someone bears proving out...that is the scientific principle!
I don't blame any atheist at all for seeing clearly what is in front of his own eyes. You would be dishonest to yourself to think any other way.
Use the intelligence that you have to consider the positive things that Agape has shared. I believe from the content that he is not lying to any of you.
I would like to share some more ideas here. It seems that it is very difficult for people to change their minds from any beliefs that they have. This goes for anybody believing anything about something. How about politics? Do any of you vote or get involved in our democratic system? Can you know for assurity that the person you chose to represent you has your best interest in mind? How can you trust anyone by what they say except by the content of the presentation? My acceptance of Christs teaching is based on the content that I receive from it. Never mind the scriptures which do not agree. When men get a hold of something, they experience a lot of difficulty putting it into words. If you had no words available to you, how could you express your belief about anything? Language is imperfect in this world. Those people you hear trying to express themselves in language are doing the best that they can with what they know at the time.
Boil down the essence of what the revelator is trying to say before you find fault.
Christ has done more than any other in this sense...He simplified the complex so that others could understand. He told us that love was the determiner of truth, and those who had that love would understand the principles of God. Jesus did not enforce the old testament law, but freed us from it instead. Those who have love in their hearts can understand the mysteries of God, they are not difficult for anyone to understand once they take a small step forward to Him. Is His involvement with you worth your risk? This is why AgapeLove is spending so much time with all of you. He has experienced a principle and it has changed his life. It has done the same for me.
One thing that science can never do is fill the heart. Science discounts emotion,feeling, experience etc. as some kind of taboo. Yet for many, those are the very things which give us the ability to trust.
Agape is not out to harm you. Love has changed his heart, and this is the MOST meaningful experience that you can have.
If all of this still sounds too stupid for you to accept, I feel sorrow for you. I'm not angry, maybe just disappointed.
None of what I have said should no imply that I am better than any of you. We are all just trying to make simple the confusion which is all around us
