(January 3, 2014 at 10:03 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(January 3, 2014 at 7:12 pm)RDK Wrote: I,ve been reading this whole experience that AgapeLove has had. It is almost identical to those that I have had. I would submit that all of you have faith in something too! You believe what you will about scientific principles that seem to reflect your understanding of a subject. Do you test out every principle by which you believe? Can you? Are you able to repeat every test and every principle so you can prove that your faith is justified? Do you believe everything that these educated people say just because they are intelligent? I am asking a lot of questions since you do not seem to have understood the impotance of another reality with proofs all of their own.
Except that's not faith: it's a reasonable expectation that the people trained to discover certain things know what they're talking about. Do you have faith in a plumber when you call one to fix your sink, or do you just accept that sometimes you require help from outside sources? Additionally, when a scientist says something, they don't just assert it, they also present their workings, experimental data and often repeatable steps for how the experiment that led them to their conclusions are done. One could find out for themselves with relative ease, so don't even pretend that science and religion are remotely similar.
What you're doing is a little bait and switch, where you're using faith to mean "accepting something you don't know for certain," which is dishonest because nobody ever knows anything for certain; some of us are just brash enough to pretend like they do.
Since as humans, we can not possibly know all of the combinations by which a conclusion can be drawn. Two people can observe the same event and draw two very different conclusions based on their experience. If you have not experienced something similar, you have no disposition to draw the same conclusions. The problem with these debate type forums is that one man is describing his experiences of spirituality while the other works feverishly to vilify his interpretations. Whose experience is more valid, yours or mine. How can I know for assurity that the research you did was really valid at all. I would have to trust that you are not lying to me. I don't deny the genuine things that science has done to improve our world. I could test out the principle and have similar results. You can have the same results I have had with spiritually discerned things. It requires thought and perservearance, the same that the scientists do when trying to analyze a problem. Use the same scientific principle to analyze a possibility for which you have never taken seriously.
Prayer is basically talking to God about things. When you talk to someone do you demand an answer. How about some respect when it comes to this stuff. If God knows that the communication is not genuine, He can see right through it. Most atheists I have talked to don't want to communicate with someone they don't know (a spirtual source).
If I can get answers about God stuff, so can you. I'm not someones Guru. I know that my life has improved dramatically in every area since I made the connection. A theory remains until you take the proper steps to prove or disprove it.
You don't need any books at all to have this communication. Don't read the Bible if it gives you trouble. This is just a simple way(prayer) to share your thoughts with someone you don't even know exists yet.
Don't stop because of all the contrary evidence that you find. Men have tried to explain God in every possible way. They have had a particular experience and try to sell the method to everyone else in the world. Hold onto the simplest of ideas. Don't get fooled by the jargon. It's been going on since people learned to talk.
Incidentally, you didn't come close to answering the question I actually posed to you about prayer, either.
People will pray as if God is responsible for everthing that they say. God users will do everthing in their power to get something for this outward show of faith.
Prayer is simply communication. It is not a party line for everyone to hear. The world is filled with phonies who want attention or want to make money off of something supernatural. If you desire to improve your life in any loving way, God will respond. Don't ask for material gain...you will not get it. You will receive the fastest answers if your prayers are requested for the benefit for others. Your own parents would not respond to you if you challenged them. Use some courtesy. He is the giver of love. If you lack in that department, give prayer a try.