Gods plan is flawed as is the concept of god itself!

[Watson]

You clearly don't understand what 'God's plan' means. Stop listening to the so-called religious idiots and go talk to someone who actually know their shit.

I don't understand? This is what legions of religious dingbats have told me. They have told me that "God" has a plan. That we may not understand why things happen, but everything is part of "God's" plan. When I ask them if a child getting cancer is part of this deity's "plan", they say yes! They say there is a reason, then they speculate on what this reason could be (teach someone a lesson, develop the child's character, etc.)

God's 'plan' does not include events whatsoever,

Not according to what others have told me.

You can not pevent God's 'plan' from going forward, it already has, and it always will.

Well, then, what is this "plan"?

Haha, wow.

You laugh at this, but there are dopes who refuse medical attention on religious grounds. Which is fine as far as I'm concerned. We can always use more nominees for the Darwin Awards. What outrages me is when they try to prevent their kids from getting medical treatment.

Again, all of these points you make can be answered with what I said in the first place, and that which you clearly ignored.

Stop listening to the so-called religious idiots and go talk to someone who actually know their shit.

There are those who think they've got it all figured out, read the Bible and apply it to what they see, which is very backwards. It's not sad, though, it's to be expected. That's how humans are, they find something and they say "This! Look at this! This right here, this is the answer/great/correct."

The term 'God's plan' is a bit misleading. When I think of 'God's plan' I think of the world around me, the life I'm leading and that others are leading. Not that He chose their path for them, only they can do that, but that He built the path on which they are walking. Sort of like an architect who builds a house and then leaves it be. He doesn't go into the house and deman you walk around it in a certain way.

So basically God takes credit for everything we do.

But prayer works.

And God is real.

You just can't verify his existence.

Wut? Prayer works, but not when you merely ask for simple things or for unrealistic occurences. Prayer is stating the goal to someone who loves you, and having that person(God) tell you that the goal is achievable. You don't ask God to grant you a miracle, you ask God to show you the miracle and let you have the understanding to rcognize it for what it is. You don't ask god to heal you, you ask God to help you through the healing.

But by all means, don't wait on a loving God to grant you a miracle if you get your arm severed or something.

Because this...isn't how...miracles...work? Yeah, pretty much. You answered your own damn question.

If everything is in God's plan, he is:

1. Very inefficient
2. Apathetic
3. Contradictory in terms of free will.

Notice the analogy I made about the architect. The architect created the entire house, and let's say he's a contracted architect so he did it just for you. Not only that, He loves you(the architect is God), and so he built the best possible house to allow you free will. If you break shit in the house, it isn't His fault, it's yours. But no matter what you do, He's still not going t ogo into the house and force you to walk around in it a certain way. That's not a very loving thing to do, and on top of that, you don't learn anything from it.

So....in effect.....god's plan is anything that happens.

Why do we need a 'god' to enact that? It seems like the phrase SHIT HAPPENS is more to the point.

God's plan is anything that happens, yes. Shit happens, YES. We need God to create that and give it to us, as a gift, and to help us as a guide through the harder, grimier parts of the shit we're walking through. Love is the ultimate motivator.