RE: God healing the amputee and other world problems
January 10, 2014 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm by Drich.)
(January 10, 2014 at 12:22 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Given how many atheists are former christians, and many of those surely had lots of faith, I'd say that faith alone is not enough to keep everyone in the group.Faith of a mustard seed is not faith for the sake of faith. it is Faith enough to follow the direction given us as per luke 11.
Quote: I was big into it when I was young too. At one point I spent parts of Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday at a church or bible study group. It's just that when I started learning things about the stories of the bible from sources outside the faith that I found it hard to believe anymore.I have spent my last 20 years or so in church, and i know what you are talking about that is not faith, that is routine/habbit.
One of the things I am trying to do now is to help those in a routine see it and break it for the sake of biblical faith.
Quote:For some people it can really shake your faith when you learn that the story of Jesus is not unique. That hinduism is an older religion with a guy named Mithra who was also born of a virgin, taught with some followers, died, and came back three days later. Not to mention several other mythological people.and it breaks the self righteousness of atheists when they find out the myths about 'Myth-ra' were just made up. Because early Christian sources are so well documented, it cannot be suggested that Christianity developed from Mithraism. Further, all of the Mithraic manuscripts that ascribe Christian-like beliefs/practices to Mithraism are dated to long after the rapid spread of Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. It is clear that the parallel tenets of Mithraism were sourced from Christianity and not vice versa.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Mithraism.ht...z2q1gRTJRV
(January 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote:has already been explained.(January 10, 2014 at 12:22 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Given how many atheists are former christians, and many of those surely had lots of faith, I'd say that faith alone is not enough to keep everyone in the group. I was big into it when I was young too. At one point I spent parts of Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday at a church or bible study group. It's just that when I started learning things about the stories of the bible from sources outside the faith that I found it hard to believe anymore.
For some people it can really shake your faith when you learn that the story of Jesus is not unique. That hinduism is an older religion with a guy named Mithra who was also born of a virgin, taught with some followers, died, and came back three days later. Not to mention several other mythological people.
I was in the same position and learned about the same thing that got me out of Christianity
(January 10, 2014 at 11:20 am)Drich Wrote: You do know the difference between petition and prayer correct? Prayers always get a favoriable answer, petitions do not. Praying for a mirical is not actually praying it is a petition.
What's the difference?
(January 10, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Chad32 Wrote: He just said that the difference is when you're already a christian and ask Yahweh for something, it's prayer. When you're not a christian, and ask Yahweh for something, it's a petition. He's not obligated to give something to someone outside the faith, despite the bible saying he really wants everyone to believe in him, and usually when someone outside the faith is asking for someone, it's so they have some evidence that they should believe in him. Evidence in something being the only reason anyone should believe anything. Ever.
No. a Prayer is asking God to change you to fit his Will, everything else is a petition.
(Think of the Lord Prayer, all of it's elements helps one to serve God. petitions has God serving you.)
