RE: If Islam is a religion of peace why did it expand through military conquests?
January 18, 2014 at 5:52 pm
(January 18, 2014 at 5:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You didn't read the part where Yahweh kills, or orders to kill, so many people for not following him?
No because it's not actually in there. If you mean Joshua it says kill everyone who was occupying the land at that specific point in time not people who weren't Jewish in general. Ok that's one the nastier bits of the Bible, Lane Craig had a go at tackling it if you're interested. He is a bit of a douche I find though.
Quote:Or when Jesus said he comes not to bring peace, but a sword
He meant that the revelation he would bring would divide people as he knew it would and it did.
Quote: Or to not suffer witches to live
You can take that to mean the genuinely evil ones. Yes there are some passages that are a bit unfortunate to the modern sensibility but that's to be expected. The Bible is inspired through God but written by people of an ancient culture. The overall message is a good message of tolerance and morality as Jews are as a people today. They still have the Torah as their Holy Book of course with the New Testament added on.
Quote: , and it's better to drown someone than let them lead you away from christ?
He literally mean you drown people who lead children into sin he was speaking metaphorically.
Quote: Maybe you just picked up on the cozy parts. I know a lot of people do.
I'm aware of the other parts but they have been reasonably well dealt with.
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I'm not sure Yahweh would say that in Deuteronomy before he sends his people to slaughter villages and take the virgins for wives.
They would have seen it as providing widowed women with a home and family or something. And they had the option to leave, after a certain while but there you go. I guess they would have had a period of time in order to see if they like it or not. We do have different values as modern people arguably better. I don't think they have become better "because of science" though. And I also think there is an objective standard or "Moral Law" that is not dependent on my own opinion you have the basis of morality in God. Something the Torah/Bible outlines.
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I'm pretty sure Joshua chased some people around, and Yahweh somehow stopped the sun in the sky so that he could continue the chase.
The sun/time stopped so they could win a battle and if anyone left the land the Jews were instructed to take they were perfectly safe as it was the people they wanted but their land, without anyone else on it just the Jews.
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Morals change over time.
They have got better over time because we have become collectively more Christlike. That is the ideal standard of morality which is also Gods standard which is in other different religions as well. If there is no standard then it's just opinion and there is no yardstick to measure morality against.
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why ideas like slavery and genocide are illegal now, despite being encouraged by the bible.
Because we were influenced as a society by the teachings of Christ. We don't exploit the poor we don't have lower and higher castes we're all equal. It took a while to fully sink in.
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There is no infallible moral system
There is an ideal moral standard and that would be Christ standards. The standard we have come closer to emulating over time.
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No I didn't find the exact passages, but if you insist will look for them.
You'll be looking for a long time.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
