Oh I am / was! I just found the cognitive dissonance of trying NOT to believe somewhat harder than the cognitive dissonance of believing. I'm certain that if I kept challenging myself and reminding myself that all the things I think of as real are probably products of my own psyche I could push past that, but why? As people told me there is no payoff.
A tautology is a piece of self supporting logic. For eg, lets say I say this cup of tea is the perfect temperature. Why is that? Because its neither too hot nor too cold. How do we know its not too hot? because its the perfect temperature. Its a non falsifiable statement.
That argument for God being good is the same. What is the nature of god? He is good. How do we KNOW he is good? Because he is God and good is good by definition. How do we know that this behavior is good? Because its god doing it. And why? Because it is god doing it.
Plug a different analogy in. I just made the perfect flapjack. How can you be sure? Because any flapjack I make is perfect. What makes it perfect? The fact that I made it and I make perfect flapjack.
The logic is circular. X because Y because X.
Now this if fine for anyone who accepts the initial premise. But lets say Pocacaras has tried my flapjacks and thinks I put too many cherries in. My logic now does not work. Then it goes thus.
" Its the perfect flapjack because I made it and I make perfect flapjack"
"fuck you, its vile"
"you don't understand, it CAN'T be vile because I made it and I make perfect flapjacks."
"get that stinking shit out of my face".
Same thing here. For "Its moral because god did it and everything God does is moral" only works if the victim of your logic accepts the core premise.
THAT is why its never going to be a successful argument when used on Flapjack / God skeptics.
Quote:Just because a truth can be identified as "X" does it make it any less true?
I had to google "tautological loop" as this was the first time I'd ever heard of it. this is what Wiki said:In logic, a tautology (from the Greek word ταυτολογία) is a formula which is true in every possible interpretation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic)
If this is what you meant then the reason I offered this was to offer you the truth. If you did not understand it then I offered it so you may question this position. allowing me to provide further explaination.
A tautology is a piece of self supporting logic. For eg, lets say I say this cup of tea is the perfect temperature. Why is that? Because its neither too hot nor too cold. How do we know its not too hot? because its the perfect temperature. Its a non falsifiable statement.
That argument for God being good is the same. What is the nature of god? He is good. How do we KNOW he is good? Because he is God and good is good by definition. How do we know that this behavior is good? Because its god doing it. And why? Because it is god doing it.
Plug a different analogy in. I just made the perfect flapjack. How can you be sure? Because any flapjack I make is perfect. What makes it perfect? The fact that I made it and I make perfect flapjack.
The logic is circular. X because Y because X.
Now this if fine for anyone who accepts the initial premise. But lets say Pocacaras has tried my flapjacks and thinks I put too many cherries in. My logic now does not work. Then it goes thus.
" Its the perfect flapjack because I made it and I make perfect flapjack"
"fuck you, its vile"
"you don't understand, it CAN'T be vile because I made it and I make perfect flapjacks."
"get that stinking shit out of my face".
Same thing here. For "Its moral because god did it and everything God does is moral" only works if the victim of your logic accepts the core premise.
THAT is why its never going to be a successful argument when used on Flapjack / God skeptics.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
