So I got in trouble

[Drich]

Backwards thinking, against progress of humanity

Luck, seriously. I thought the point of your post was point out my 'sins.' Not crimes against pop culture.

What you lable 'backwards thinking' has no foundation in anything in the bible nor in soceitial law. this is just you and maybe your peers saying I don't like what you said even though there is no reason not to like it.

Because of the sheer volume of everything else i have to address I do not see a need to justify how or why you find the content of this section offensive. In all honestly I do not care. Because bottom line it will boil down to the pride of man gain against the soverneity of God. I am here to repersent God, not your pride in 'humanity.'

Regular generalizations about all atheists with regards to their beliefs, leadingme to believe you have already supposed a reason for someones' non belief before you even met them which is intellectually dishonest.

All reasons can be placed into one of two headings. 1) the person does not want anything to do with the God of the bible as their primary reason, and has chose to seperate themselves from Him. 2) the person wants nothing to do with Christianity as their primary reason, and have netural feelings about God.

The first rarly if ever discusses theology as it is discussed here. Unless they are just full of venom and anger. The second I believe we 'send into the desert.' Or rather given the gift of atheism/a chance to rebuild their faith, if they were only to A/S/ and continue to Knock.

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for example:



I'm not aware that they are, no. Christians, on the other hand, have well documented history working against them. Nice roll
on the floor though, very.. um.. what's the word?

Oh yeah, Prideful


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Without context you do know that whole mess you quoted is absolutly meaningless.
Or was that your intended purpose. Take away meaning and assign any meaning you want like calling my words 'prideful.'

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Prideful/Arrogant Behaviour or beliefs in the name of your god
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Arrogance/Nonpologies


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(I don't think you adequately explained this away, bud)

You are a theist here in an atheist forum, telling us we're going to [your god's] hell, and when we tell you off, you still justify reciprocation as a mode of operation befitting a godly man.

Oh, my goodness.. was that a question?
Are you asking me why i don't act and respond like the sterotype you are use to dealing with?

I guess there are a few reasons and a scriptural justification.

1) I am being truthful to who i am. I am not a priest, I have taken no vows to any form of evangelism, and I am not one to repeat a process over and over and over and over and over again if it is proven not to work.
Comming here with the tactics of the typical christian evangelist is one who carpet bombs with pages and pages of scripture supplimented with endless commentary. (A favorite tactic of hard core muslims as well) My buddy 'Saved by grace' was one of these people.

This does not work. It gets you bann from forums all over the internet no matter what you believe. The option? Address people directly. answer their questions and hold on to the truth. do not compromise what you believe for the sake of popularity. This offends people who do not believe as you do. So what is their response? to offend back. Here there are basically 3 options I have to me; ignore it, or address it off the cuff, or address it in a fashion as to try and direct the conversation to your ultimate goal, (to push back, but not to try and push down as with option 2, and try and refocous on the topic..)

The results of the three responses? If one simply ignores it, then it becomes a free for all (Again see how 'Saved by grace' was targeted) and as a direct result the conversation then becomes a point of who can get the christian to react to a great insult.
So obviously this does not work in THIS form of communication.

To address it off the cuff is to invite a dog pile of insults where all atheists just open fire on the one who opposes them.. This is suicide.

The third option walks a fine line between option two and sucess. I know i have failed to walk this line on many occasions but even if i can sucessfully do this 5 times out of 10, My sucess rate is 5x's greater than it would be in the other 2 potential responses i have avaiable to me.

Not to mention I do have scriptural support for this method of teaching.
1cor 9:
19 I am free. I belong to no other person, but I make myself a slave to everyone. I do this to help save as many people as I can. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew so that I could help save Jews. I myself am not ruled by the law, but to those who are ruled by the law I became like someone who is ruled by the law. I did this to help save those who are ruled by the law. 21 To those who are without the law I became like someone who is without the law. I did this to help save those who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ruled by the law of Christ.) 22 To those who are weak, I became weak so that I could help save them. I have become all things to all people. I did this so that I could save people in any way possible. 23 I do all this to make the Good News known. I do it so that I can share in the blessings of the Good News.

Ooh! Fly me! Then show me your proof. Oh wait you can't, and you expect me to take your word for it that you did something right and what I did in my A/S/King was wrong.

I am not to that point yet, but we are still moving in that direction. If you want to go in or a round maybe a years time, then we will see then.

The difference between my A-s-k and yours is the Knocking. Meaning I am still knocking and you have appearently stopped.
That constitutes as a difference whether your willing to admit it or not.

Don't worry, I can't fly anyways. Too sick.

I could pray for you to get better or I could pray that God uses this sickness to reveal Himself to you, so you know He is indeed real.

Apparently even with the threat of death to motivate me to A/S/K sincerely, and whole heartedly, and with every fiber of my being for 20 some odd years, I just wasn't righteous enough in how I did things to get what it is you have!

Did you ever consider apart of your 'A/S/King' has to do with this time you spend as an atheist?

Are you familiar with the parable of the wise and foolish builders? here is a sunday school song about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq4bzE-ZCAA

The house we all build is our relationship with God or faith, religious works/expressions. The rains come in many forms. Attacks on your health, wealth, faith and beliefs. If your relationship is built on religion and religious beliefs then that is the same as building your house on the sand. When the rains come all that you built will go Splat! Just like the foolish man in the song/parable. This going splat in the real world translates into Atheism in this day and age. So the question then becomes why does God allow this to happen?

I would say God not only allows this to happen but pushes your house down, per a prayer that you prayed to get closer to him. whether you like it or can admit it or not, your faith was built on sand. How do I know this?
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20756.html In your OP you have admitted to not recognising God or rather what i said as being repersentive of the God of the bible. You even doubt 'my Christianity.' Persumably because it did not look like anything you had ever seen or heard before. Meaning your 'faith/religion' put you in a position to not recognise biblical christianity when it was presented. Meaning you did not know the God of the bible. If you ever prayed to know God better or for a sign or for anything other than maintaining your status quoe, God had to tear down your house to help you build a new one...

This is where Knocking comes in.. Asking/Seeking puts you in the desert (Atheism where you are now) Knocking brings you back out and into a house/faith built on Christ thus answering your prayer.

You earnestly Asked and sought, to that I have no doubt. I have no doubt the vast majority of the people here did the same thing. God was Faithful and answered your prayer. However you were not. To be faithful to what God gave you, you had to continue to ask and seek. It is through this asking and seeking that you knock.

You want me to take your word for it that it works based on your experience, when in my experience it didn't work and you dismiss me with all the other 'atheists'. Despite the fact that you can't possibly know if I A/S/Kd correctly or not.

again if your not currently knocking I KNOW you did not follow the directions found in Luke 11. meaning you did not A/S/K correctly.

I'm not a title, I'm a person.

Who acts and responds in accordance with your title. If you didn't you would be known through a different title.

You seem to forget that sometimes..

If I did not see the people behind those titles, you can be sure I would not be here.

The first time we met, actually. You threw me around like I'd been through a rumble before, anticipating moves I'd never make and treating me like scum by misrepresenting what I said again and again. It was dishonest. You were, my first forum conversation in my life.

I have a dog juno. She does not like to play rough. She wants to be pet and loved a certain way. When I come home the other two male dogs great me wine and jump till I chase them around and p-eat them. (Pet/beat) Juno does not like to be p-eat-ed. so she will stay off to the side most of the time, and i leave her alone. if she comes to me off to the side i will pet her like she likes. but every now and then she will be in the pack with the other two jumping and barking. when she is she gets pet.

Know I am not calling you a dog, but pointing to behavior (mine.) I respect you all enough to not chase you down and Pet/Beat you over the head with my beliefs. Nor do i chase after you and beat you down once you withdraw from the conversation even if i had not made my final points. However if you come after me (Like my two male dogs) expect to be Peat. that said if you come to me on the side (as you did) I will approach you completely differently. If I remember correctly we had several emails that went differently than it would have if it were in an open forum.

will have to get to the rest later.

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Derrida was nothing more than a variable (x) in The greater equation. My goal was to identify the equation and not to solve for (x). The fact that I saw identified and then lead you to tip your hand concerning the "logical trap/the greater equation" was the thought process I correctly identified. (Not nessessarly what you were thinking but how you were thinking)

So now you're claiming you don't know what God thinks, only how he thinks. You're getting closer to claiming you're God all the time.

Of course it was a trap. Identifying that it was a trap doesn't tell you what's inside. You claimed the latter. Not the former. A twelve year old knows it's a trap. If you're claiming the same level of knowledge of God's intentions as you're claiming of mine, then you've sprung the trap despite your best attempts to avoid it. If you have no more knowledge of God's intentions than you had of my intentions, then you know nothing of God's intentions.

I must confess, that you think identifying that it was a trap was the point of the question itself is disappointing. The point lies deeper than that. And you haven't scratched the surface yet.

Identified why it's a trap yet? I'll give you another hint. John Searle's essay, "Minds, Brains, and Programs."

Figured it out yet?

Perhaps I should teach your wife privately. She seems capable of the subtlety you lack.

look I'm not into 'petty' as most of you believe (I was more of a Earnheart fan) If your looking for a win I conceed the point. Because honestly I don't care about what is being discussed here.

As far as trying to 'teach my wife..' If you think your message has any sway your welcome to try.