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So I got in trouble
RE: So I got in trouble
(January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Drich Wrote: and you can not except that you don't have to 'just believe.' I have said over and over that all it takes is the faith of a mustard seed meaning all you need is to have enough faith to ask God for help in this area.

I don't have the faith of a mustard seed. Now what?

Quote:You can put whatever name you like on it, but the fact of the matter your life will begin to change independantly from any influences that you may have on it. all of which point to God.

Whether or not it can change my life has no bearing on whether or not there's any truth behind it. The power one's beliefs have over them is very powerful.

Quote:Actually A/S/K is the only method we have of obtaining a measure of the Holy Spirit. I believe once one has and is faithful to the measure of the Holy Spirit he is given, the H/S will provide all the interaction and 'proof' any of us could ever truly need.

A method that provides proof only to those who don't require it is a pretty useless method.

Quote:Again All someone need do who does not already believe is to simply ask and keep asking for what is needed to A/S/K. When you do this know God is not going to send you an angel to sprinkle faith dust on your head while you sleep. Your life will most likly change in some way, that will place you in a position where your only way out is through devine help. Or that you will be bombarded so harshly by life that you will want mercy/help again.

It's like we're not even speaking the same language.

Quote:The harder your heart the more dramatic recovery your going to have to make inorder for you to truly credit God with getting you out of a hole.

As noted, you assume that our lack of belief is something we intentionally set up and fortify, when in reality, it is a consequence of how our brains are wired to interpret events. Not that I actually want to be a believer, but I can't be. The method you insist upon will never provide the quality of evidence necessary to change my mind and the standards it demands of evidence. Your mind is wired to apparently not be able to comprehend the idea that anybody's mind isn't just like yours. And I know I can safely speak for pretty much every atheist out there on this score...

Quote:I tell you all to A/S/K. Your Asking for the Holy Spirit. If/When you Get the Holy Spirit He will do exactly what needs to happen to establish your faith, and maintain it. If you simply remain faithful to what you have been given.

...and it will never register for you, no matter what we say.

Be honest and put aside the strength of your convictions for a moment: do you think you are capable of making the conscious decision to abandon your faith? Do you think that anything could ever convince you that you've got it all wrong?
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So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 1:39 am
RE: So I got in trouble - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 2:06 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Ryantology - January 24, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: So I got in trouble - by Esquilax - January 24, 2014 at 5:34 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Brakeman - January 24, 2014 at 8:30 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 9:48 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 11:15 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 9:54 pm
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 2:01 am
RE: So I got in trouble - by Tonus - January 29, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Mystical - January 25, 2014 at 12:56 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 12:05 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 12:31 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Ryantology - January 27, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Cinjin - January 27, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 11:38 pm
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 29, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Minimalist - January 30, 2014 at 1:11 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 30, 2014 at 1:59 am
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 30, 2014 at 9:51 pm
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 30, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by pocaracas - January 30, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 30, 2014 at 11:43 pm
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RE: So I got in trouble - by Mystical - January 30, 2014 at 10:30 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Angrboda - January 31, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: So I got in trouble - by Ryantology - January 31, 2014 at 7:46 am
RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 31, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by pocaracas - January 31, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Minimalist - January 31, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Drich - February 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: So I got in trouble - by Angrboda - February 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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