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So I got in trouble
RE: So I got in trouble
(January 30, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Drich Wrote: just ask for it. Simply say: God i need a mustard seeds worth of faith. You don't even need that to ask for the faith of a mustard seed. all you need is the ablity to read and a want to have this faith.

I have to have faith for that to register to me as a legitimate question. How do you not get that.

Quote:At this point in your journey belief has nothing to do with it. Your just following the bread crumbs.
Simply go where they lead you.

You seem obstinate in your insistence that I haven't.

Quote:It is the foolish things of this world God uses to confound the supposed 'wise and learned.'

Guess he doesn't want me trying to find him, then.

Quote:The 'methods' you use were created by men looking to intentionally distance themselves from God. The entire methodolgy is critically flawed. In that it is designed to always exclude God as a possiable answer to anything.

There is nothing intentional about my methodology. I don't dismiss faith in God because I don't want it, but because it has demonstrated itself to be useless to me as it has produced none of the promised results, not just for me personally, but for anything external to myself.

Quote:This is illustrated when one of you good people ask for proof, and i ask, what does 'proof' look like? No one has ever answered this in such away as to have something take away all doubt from everyone who subscribes to this method of thinking. Matter of fact none of you (except for a petition for a winning lottery ticket) has answered this question period. Why? Because your current belief system will NOT allow you consider God for anything. That my friends is a true confirmation bias.

Sufficient proof for me would be God putting in an appearance in such a way that his presence can be empirically verified by people who don't have pre-existing faith.

Quote:Why? because this 'wiring' always allows for some explaination no matter how out there to be more plausable that the truth set before you.

This is the choice I see that most of you have made. You put your faith in a method of understanding the world around you, rather than God. over looking the fact that a 'faith in facts' is still an excercise in Faith. The same faith needed to A/S/K. It's just you taken the mustard seed God has given you and planted it the 'field of science.' If this is true then simply ask for another one.

I have faith only in things that are demonstrably true or likely to be true because they depend on demonstrable evidence. That is astronomically less faith than is required to believe in something that none of my senses, logic or reason identifies as different from a fictional character.

Quote:Did you ever play any old school RPG? when ever you started you were usally given character points of some sort, and you could take these character points and personal the hero any way you like. You could distribute these points in catagories like strength, Health, Magic, depending on how you wanted to play the game. I see something simliar here with your 'mustard seed.' You have only been given mustard seed, and you put in the science catagory rather than the God catagory.. Not a big deal. Just get over your self enough to ask for another seed. If you can't just read this aloud and i'll help you:

"God give Me another Mustard seed."

then when you get it be faithful to it.

As I mentioned just before, you're mistaken. I did not choose to place my faith in science. Science works. It produces tangible results. And it does so whether or not I have faith in it.

Even so, that doesn't mean I have faith in all of science. There are plenty of hypotheses that I have no faith in, such as the multiverse hypothesis. Is it impossible? No more than God is. That isn't enough for me to make a positive statement of faith about it. I need solid results before I give it my faith.

Quote:Faith is belief without evidence as so many of you have pointed out. If you have been actually reading what I have said, I am showing and telling you that I do not have faith. God has and continues to give me evidence on a daily basis. Which means what i have is not faith.

Your faith is belief without evidence. That is the faith that is completely missing in me, the faith I literally cannot have in anything at all.

There is on thing in which I have faith without evidence, and it is the faith that makes me believe I'm on one side of the solipsistic barrier. That is faith without evidence. But, why not? For one, I have nothing to lose, and for another, it's still not the same as your faith, because I'm not going to sit here and insist that I'm certain about it. I'm not. I simply operate under the assumption because I've not been faced with a good reason not to.

Quote:Just short of God personally showing me where and what i have wrong in the bible, I will NEVER be convinced otherwise.. In this regaurd I am a saul of tarsus.

I seen too much, Experience too much and been apart of too many miraclous things to not believe in God.

It is as I suspected. You are too sure that you are correct to ever entertain the idea that you have interpreted everything incorrectly.

That is not true for me. You could be 100% correct. If you are, there should be evidence sufficient to satisfy the standards I have described. Your methods fall miserably short of that, though you appear incapable of being honest about the reasons why that is.
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So I got in trouble - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 1:39 am
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