(January 31, 2014 at 1:03 am)rasetsu Wrote: In what way is what God does for you, making himself and his purpose visible to you, not a sign?because again a sign is a bit of a grand magic trick event something like stopping the sun from setting, parting the Red Sea, walking on water, raising the dead to life. These are signs. The Pharisees demanded this from Jesus to prove Himself. You wanted a mind reading. Which again is also a sign. Christ in mat 12 and mat 16 rebuke those who seek signs as proof of anything. So again I ask if He would not honor such a request personally why would He do this by proxy?
Quote:Now you're just playing word games. "It's not a sign; it's an answer. It's not an answer; it's a reply. It's not a reply; it's a sign." You're just jerking off claiming that what God does for you isn't a sign when the whole point of your A/S/K bullshit is to say that if you perform the right sequence of ritualistic steps, God will give an unmistakable answer that can't be mistaken as not from God. That's the very definition of a sign.God is offering a relationship with the Holy Spirit. Not the ability to witness or perform signs. What I was trying to offer here with the question I was seeking from you was to demonstrate the relationship I do have. In that none of the questions I have go unanswered.
Again, God is not parting the Red Sea here, He is simply full filling a promise to me that He has made to all of us. In that 'the Holy Spirit writes His word on our hearts. If you are faithful to this gift then the secrets of the bible are no longer hidden, and there isn't a question we can't petition God to answer.
Quote:So in this passage, Jesus says not to ask for signs; in Luke, however, we're encouraged to look for signs, literally, symbols which point the way, in modern parlance.Is looking asking?
We are not to be shunned or run from signs but at the same time we are not to build our faith on them.
Quote:(We'll look at it exegetically if you like.) So what we have is not you providing "clarity" for one who earnestly seeks the divine, which I do, you know this, it is the backbone of my Hinduism. Instead of clarity, what you have presented is a Jesus who says something diametrically opposite to things he's said before, just to get himself out of a rhetorical jam. And you, for your part, hold the hypocrisy of Christ dearly to your breast and try to justify it by playing word games. You're pathetic.what word games? Is looking asking? If I like to look at old cars is it the same as asking someone if they would give me one? How is that a word game? How is that I turn a contradiction?
Quote:You know nothing of God.in the infinite ness that is God you are right. A finite vessel could not contain all the knowledge of God.
Quote: I know god personally, intimately. This is not god you are representing;with that their is no doubt.
Quote:you're defending a first century magician who couldn't keep his own lies straight.As I pointed out your usually adept literally skills have let you down, as looking and asking are not the same thing.
Quote:You're defending a liar, and in so doing, making of yourself a liar.if the God of the bible is a liar then know I am proud to be known as a liar myself.
Quote:Calling it a question and an answer, rather than a demand for a sign, doesn't change the nature of what you are doing. You are the modern day Pharisee, expecting your "signs" (replies) to be from God. They aren't.Again there is a vast difference between a sign and the personal relationship. In the relationship we are offered an on going interaction, this relationship does not offer the ability to perform miricals or front row seat to them. It offers a on going relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Quote:And "god" already works wonders with me. Your ego, however, insists on calling what I do "pandering" because you are jealous of the acclaim the divine has anointed my travels with. Oh, but the Lord loves that haughty look of yours, yes S/he does.
If you ever want more than what your god has to offer all you need do is a/s/k for it.