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My Fellow Atheist
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RE: My Fellow Atheist
(March 12, 2010 at 3:05 am)tackattack Wrote: Then what would you define as faith, Arcanus?

Being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.

Consequently, notitia and fiducia without assensus is blind and therefore not faith. This shipwrecks the egregious canard that faith is merely a blind leap. Faith goes beyond reason—i.e., into the arena of trust—but never against reason. From the Enlightenment onwards, faith has been subject to constant attempts at redefining it into the realm of the irrational or irrelevant (e.g., Kant's noumenal category); but all such attempts are built on irresponsible straw man caricatures that bear no resemblance to faith as held under the Christian view: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.

(NOTE: "Christ died for our sins" is an example, not the sum, of notitia or informational content.)
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:16 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 4, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 3, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Autumnlicious - March 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:54 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 3, 2010 at 10:17 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 4, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Darwinian - March 4, 2010 at 7:54 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 7, 2010 at 9:13 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 7, 2010 at 10:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 8, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Dotard - March 4, 2010 at 9:46 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 10:13 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 4, 2010 at 2:42 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 4, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 4, 2010 at 7:27 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 4, 2010 at 11:23 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 5, 2010 at 4:11 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 8, 2010 at 4:07 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Edwardo Piet - March 8, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 8, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2010 at 2:26 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 9, 2010 at 2:42 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 9, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 9, 2010 at 8:27 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 10, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 10, 2010 at 1:30 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Autumnlicious - March 10, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 12, 2010 at 3:05 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 4:09 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 13, 2010 at 1:01 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 2:12 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 12, 2010 at 7:32 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 16, 2010 at 6:29 am

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