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Is Satan shown lying in the bible?
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RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible?
Quote:I can't give you that one. They are warned they will surely die the day they eat of it.
That depends on the translation you read. In the KJV its

Quote:7 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

However the NIV has
Quote: but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Both were translated from the same texts so it depends who you think did the better job of translating into contemporary English. I go with the one translated by people who SPOKE contemporary english, rather than ye olde englishe.

Quote:In context, all the serpent is saying is that the fruit isn't poisonous and won't kill you.
In context? Sure you're not a christian AngelBig Grin? Cos thats our trick, to use the context to indicate a meaning beyond the bald text. The idea of the fruit being poisoned is just something you read into the text, its neither stated nor inferred.
Quote:What killed her was failure to eat from the Tree of Life, and that fruit was never on the menu.

Sure it was.

Quote:in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.....

You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

Many trees, including the good and evil tree and the life tree. They were aloud to eat from any except the good and evil tree and that includes the life tree.
Quote:There's never any indication at all that Adam and Eve would be immortal if they didn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

There kind of is.

Quote:the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Quote:It was funny how Yahweh was in such a hurry to evict them before they could get a bite off the Life fruit, like there would be no stopping Adam and Eve if they had some of that!


That's the story. That God was OK with them eating any fruit (including the fruit from the tree of life) UNTIL they scarfed the knowledge fruit.

Quote:It's a just-so story: Why do we die? Why don't snakes have legs? Why is childbirth painful?

I can't see why people would take it so much more seriously than 'How the leopard got its spots'.

Here I tend to agree. And there are logical and moral holes in it through which one could drive a bus. But nonetheless, I think that in the story (which is what I think it is, a story) the devil does lie. In the NIV version at least.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 2, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Drich - February 2, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 2, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Drich - February 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by là bạn điên - February 2, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Drich - February 3, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by là bạn điên - February 3, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Drich - February 2, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 2, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 2, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 3, 2014 at 7:46 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 3, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by max-greece - February 3, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 3, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 3, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Tonus - February 3, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 3, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 3, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Mister Agenda - February 3, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Mister Agenda - February 5, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 6, 2014 at 4:53 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Assimilate - February 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 3, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 3, 2014 at 5:16 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 3, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 3, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by ronedee - February 4, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 4, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Minimalist - February 3, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 3, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 3, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 3, 2014 at 7:08 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Minimalist - February 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 3, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 3, 2014 at 11:52 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Tonus - February 4, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 3, 2014 at 7:10 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Tonus - February 3, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 3, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by là bạn điên - February 4, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 4, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 4, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 4, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 4, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 4, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 4, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 4, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 4, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 4, 2014 at 9:29 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 6, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Chad32 - February 6, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Tonus - February 6, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 4, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Minimalist - February 4, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Tonus - February 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Angrboda - February 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Godschild - February 6, 2014 at 2:27 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Mister Agenda - February 6, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by truthBtold - February 6, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by EvolutionKills - February 6, 2014 at 9:50 am
Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Rampant.A.I. - February 6, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by EvolutionKills - February 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Minimalist - February 6, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible? - by Angrboda - February 6, 2014 at 7:21 pm

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