Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[Chad32]

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Yes, it matters. It all matters. That's what justice is. You can't have a guy that proclaims he's the biggest baddest thing in existence, claim he's loving, merciful, just, and all that, claim we're all horrible people and his way is the only way,

God's way is the only way, the only way to eternal life, this is what God is saying. He says that man's way is the only way, the only way to eternal punishment, Satan and his demons have already made their way and their sentence if fixed. Man has a choice still, God's way or his.

There's that blackmail again. Not only will daddy not let us into the party if we don't behave, he'll force us into a pit of fire on top of that.

So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.

Well my dad isn't beating me every day for getting an F on a report card 20 years ago, nor has he ever threatened to. Plus I know he exists, and I know he took effort to care for me. The end result of parenting is to train someone up so they can be independent, and live their own life. That's how a child is to be raised, but Yahweh wants us to be slaves.

and expect everyone to just take his word for it. Especially when he works through followers and a faulty book, instead of actually showing up and really explaining himself.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else has all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

The burden of proof isn't on us. Show the world that Yahweh is more real than all the other deities that have been worshipped throughout history, and I'll consider him real. Worshipping is a different story, but let's take it one step at a time. The bible claims he's real. We still need proof.

I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.

The bible makes the only claim to Yahweh's reality. I guess if anyone tried to prove the bible wrong throughout history, it would be so christians would stop burning pagans and such alive at the stake and let people who didn't want to follow Yahweh live their own lives. The only problem atheists have with christianity is that you guys try to force your beliefs on others. If you did what Jesus said, about praying quietly at home, or just stuck to churches without trying to pass laws prohibiting homosexuals from being together, then we wouldn't be having these problems.

No, I'm not highly impressed with him sacrificing himself to himself to save us from an eternity of punishment that he made for those who don't follow him. Especially when he doesn't seem to have sacrificed anything at all.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him. We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

If someone could guarantee that I'd rise again to rule the world if I let them torture me for a few days, I'd take it. Christ's sacrifice was a publicity stunt. It was not a necessity to convince Yahweh to forgive people.

That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.

Jesus' story wasn't the only one in history about a virgin birth and resurrection and such. I guess maybe he's eternally depressed because of what happened, but in that case it just makes Yahweh look worse. It's not like sin is a physical thing. Sin is just things that people do that Yahweh doesn't want us to do. I can actually kind of relate to that, actually. I don't always get my way either. It bothers me when I don't get everything I want, or when people bullied me in school just because they could, or that my dad treats me like crap.

I guess you could call that a burden, but I also don't go around killing people that do those things. I'm not going to go shoot up a school because some people get bullied. Some people are just not going to do what I want, and instead of going crazy over it, I grow up and realize that not every free thinking person is going to see things my way. I can know what it's like to be "burdened" by the thought of people in the world not worshiping me. It doesn't keep me from living my life.