Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[Mister Agenda]

but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

In modern English, if I tell you 'when you eat this you will certainly die', and you eat it, when do you expect to die? When you freakin' eat it, right?

In context? Sure you're not a christian ? Cos thats our trick, to use the context to indicate a meaning beyond the bald text. The idea of the fruit being poisoned is just something you read into the text, its neither stated nor inferred.

The difference is that I'm not using any context except what the words in the sentence before the word 'die' mean.

Sure it was.

in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.....

You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

I don't have a Bible handy, but I'm sure you are quoting accurately. That's what I get for relying on my memory. Thanks for the correction. Too bad for them they didn't think to try that one before the other, eh?

There's never any indication at all that Adam and Eve would be immortal if they didn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

There kind of is.

the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

It was funny how Yahweh was in such a hurry to evict them before they could get a bite off the Life fruit, like there would be no stopping Adam and Eve if they had some of that!

That's the story. That God was OK with them eating any fruit (including the fruit from the tree of life) UNTIL they scarfed the knowledge fruit.

It's a just-so story: Why do we die? Why don't snakes have legs? Why is childbirth painful?

I can't see why people would take it so much more seriously than 'How the leopard got its spots'.

Here I tend to agree. And there are logical and moral holes in it through which one could drive a bus. But nonetheless, I think that in the story (which is what I think it is, a story) the devil does lie. In the NIV version at least.

Could you be more explicit about what the lie was? With a quote, maybe?

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So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.

If the 'or else' was death or intense torture, I certainly would, and so would the authorities.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else has all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

You don't have his word. you have a book you claim is his word. We don't believe you're right about that. And we have found plenty of fault, starting with chapter one

I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.

It's no more effort than we'd put into trying to show belief in Santa Clause is faulty if 70% of the country believed it and over 40% were trying to legislate based on it. If some other religion were the majority in the USA, it would get more attention from us.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him.

If Jesus gave his life for us, he wouldn't still be alive, would he? He only loaned his life out for a few days, according to the story. It's the silliness of claiming he's still around that cheapens any sacrifice he may have made, and the additional silliness of the sacrifice to being necessary so he could forgive us. If I get myself killed for your sake, it will be a real sacrifice that I won't get to hop up from in a few days.

We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

Because when we die we stay dead, and apparently that was too much for Jesus to give.

That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.

You can't know how he suffered either, but that doesn't stop you from estimating. Not only wasn't it a necessity, it doesn't even make sense. I don't have to cut off my hand if I want to forgive someone, I just do it. Are you seriously be claiming that God couldn't just decide to forgive us without a human sacrifice? If so, it doesn't sound very omnipotent of him.