(February 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm)rasetsu Wrote: It occurs to me that Christians don't believe the rest of us stay dead when we die, either, so arguing that Jesus didn't really die is arguing with somebody who already believes it's all just pretend death anyways.
All will in time be raised and live an eternal life in a physical body, the scriptures are clear on this. Physical death was never meant to be a permanent state, the only permanent death scripture speaks of is spiritual.
Quote: Real sacrifice is dying and staying dead. Like all those young boys who died at Normandy did. They went there, knowing they might die, and knowing what that would mean to them and their loved ones, and they did it anyway.
I'm sure all those men who lost limbs and suffered sever brain damage on D-Day are glad you set things straight, they were always credited for sacrifice, but now thanks to you we know they sacrificed nothing. Oh and the families of those who lost loved ones in WWII or had loved ones maimed are glad you've set the record straight that they also sacrificed nothing. Such thoughtful insight you have brought to these people. My uncle was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese stuck, I'll be sure to tell him he did not sacrifice anything when he lost so many friends, according to you.
Quote: Compared to that, what Jesus did was no more impressive than a cheap card trick. But do Christians remember the real sacrifices which have been made to make their comfortable lives possible and real? No.
You are a real idiot, heartless is probably a better description, I had uncles in WWII and I know better than many what was sacrificed and have a great respect for them and they know I do. I have many friends who had love ones killed or maimed in WWII and they all have great respect for them. The Christian does much for our military and honor them on several day every year. We know all to well they are the reason that people like you can run down the people of this country just so you can have your laughs. Christians celebrate the sacrifice of our military because they fought for our freedom to worship God and a great deal of those in the military during WWII were Christians who died for you to have the freedom to run down their loved ones. We're so glad you have such a tender heart for the heartless.
Quote:They'd rather remember some cheap bit of fake theater. And for why? So they can feel special about the equally cheap bit of theater in which they give themselves over to belief in Christ.
Prove it was a trick, your full of worthless words it's time you backed up what comes spewing from that heartless mouth of your's.
Quote:That's no sacrifice at all. Believing something doesn't take any sacrifice. And they feel this, and this alone, earns them a place in heaven?
Who said we think we've sacrificed anything in our belief, you are spewing again, spewing what you want to believe and not what's true, hatred causes such things.
Yes our belief in Christ and the sacrifice He made for us is exactly what will give us a place in heaven, not a earned place, but by grace only. You have no idea what Christ sacrificed for you, me and everyone else and if you do not learn this then your chosen destination awaits you.
Quote:Since when did belonging in the presence of the ultimate come so fucking cheap? They probably believe this shit because deep down, where it counts, they realize they don't possess the stuff of greatness, and are all too eager to embrace the booby prize. The sacrifice of Christ is pure shit compared to the real sacrifices made by real people every day.
You will find out what the cost for an eternal presence with God cost Him, by then though it will be to late and those gods you depend on want be able to help you one bit.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.