RE: Is Satan shown lying in the bible?
February 6, 2014 at 3:41 am
(This post was last modified: February 6, 2014 at 3:49 am by Godscreated.)
(February 4, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.
Quote:Well my dad isn't beating me every day for getting an F on a report card 20 years ago, nor has he ever threatened to. Plus I know he exists, and I know he took effort to care for me. The end result of parenting is to train someone up so they can be independent, and live their own life. That's how a child is to be raised, but Yahweh wants us to be slaves.
If God wanted you as a slave you would be one right now, since you're not it seems your statement is false.
Your dad is not the eternal creator who rules over an entire universe.
GC Wrote:I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.
Quote:The bible makes the only claim to Yahweh's reality. I guess if anyone tried to prove the bible wrong throughout history, it would be so christians would stop burning pagans and such alive at the stake and let people who didn't want to follow Yahweh live their own lives. The only problem atheists have with christianity is that you guys try to force your beliefs on others. If you did what Jesus said, about praying quietly at home, or just stuck to churches without trying to pass laws prohibiting homosexuals from being together, then we wouldn't be having these problems.
The Bible makes no claim to God's reality, God said His creation speaks for His reality, you just ain't be listening. Many have made grave mistakes in the name of Christianity, Christians do not deny this nor would we condone it today. I know a few Christians in other countries do some bad thing, that's out of the control of the church in this country and we speak out against it.
You all keep saying Christians are trying to force Christianity on non-believers, it's beyond me why you think so. If you are however talking about passing laws, then you need to consider this, we are a part of this country and have the right to voice our opinions on what we believe makes a better country. If a majority vote with us then it's law and in that majority will be non-believes who believe in that particular instance we are right. Unlike you and many non-believers you believe that what one biased judge says should be law, the country wasn't founded on this principle.
GC Wrote:That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.
Quote:Jesus' story wasn't the only one in history about a virgin birth and resurrection and such. I guess maybe he's eternally depressed because of what happened, but in that case it just makes Yahweh look worse. It's not like sin is a physical thing. Sin is just things that people do that Yahweh doesn't want us to do. I can actually kind of relate to that, actually. I don't always get my way either. It bothers me when I don't get everything I want, or when people bullied me in school just because they could, or that my dad treats me like crap.
Well poor you you think you've got it so tough, compared to many you're on top of the world.
Sin is the physical action from thought, yes Jesus said certain thoughts were sinful and for many reasons, but for one main reason so we would train ourselves in restraint, this would help keep us from actions later regretted.
As for Jesus feeling bad, He knows the truth, the whole truth and in the end He is the truth and that's what really matters.
Quote:I guess you could call that a burden, but I also don't go around killing people that do those things. I'm not going to go shoot up a school because some people get bullied. Some people are just not going to do what I want, and instead of going crazy over it, I grow up and realize that not every free thinking person is going to see things my way. I can know what it's like to be "burdened" by the thought of people in the world not worshiping me. It doesn't keep me from living my life.
You might not but others have shot up schools. I don't live an oppressed life either, I exercise my right to worship regardless of what others think. I do not see it as a burden because others believe I should isolate myself in worship and belief, actually it ain't going to happen.
GC
(February 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm)Tonus Wrote: I admit I don't understand what it means to "take everyone's sins upon oneself." How does that work, and what is the cost? Depending on what it means, I'd volunteer to take Hugh Hefner's sins upon myself, especially the ones involving two or more playmates at the same time.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not but I'll try to explain.
Christ took all sin, that is every sin committed and would be committed until the end of time, as if they were all His and then payed the penalty for them. The perfect Christ took these on before He died on the cross, He felt the weight of this mass of sin on His perfect life, it's no wonder He expired so quickly on the cross. I'm sure Hefner will be glad to let you pay for his sins, if you decide to take on this mission.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.