Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[Godscreated]

So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.

If the 'or else' was death or intense torture, I certainly would, and so would the authorities.

Sometimes you surprise me at the way you go over board on questions.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else has all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

You don't have his word. you have a book you claim is his word. We don't believe you're right about that. And we have found plenty of fault, starting with chapter one

What you believe doesn't matter and just because you're in the majority here doesn't make you right. I do have God's word on much and it's confirmed through scripture. You can't disprove creation, no one can or ever will be able to, only God was there at the time.

I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.

It's no more effort than we'd put into trying to show belief in Santa Clause is faulty if 70% of the country believed it and over 40% were trying to legislate based on it. If some other religion were the majority in the USA, it would get more attention from us.

No they wouldn't, Christianity is the only one that convicts the heart and thus is the only one attacked so vigorously. No other belief is attacked world wide as Christianity, many Christians are killed in other parts of the world for their beliefs, but I guess that's okay with you.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him.

If Jesus gave his life for us, he wouldn't still be alive, would he? He only loaned his life out for a few days, according to the story. It's the silliness of claiming he's still around that cheapens any sacrifice he may have made, and the additional silliness of the sacrifice to being necessary so he could forgive us. If I get myself killed for your sake, it will be a real sacrifice that I won't get to hop up from in a few days.

Jesus never had to suffer through what He did, He lived in paradise as a sinless perfect being. He never caused sin nor did He invite it into the world, man did that, yet He had to pay the price so He could reclaim those He so loves. Those who do not accept what He did are lost to Him by their own decision and this makes Him sad, because they wouldn't accept the gift of life. It may be silliness to you, for me it is serious, very serious.

We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

Because when we die we stay dead, and apparently that was too much for Jesus to give.

The resurrection was the finish of a promise, without the resurrection there would be no eternal life, why those who oppose what Christ did for us can't see that the promise had to be completed through Him is a mystery to me. I guess I should be resigned to the fact non-believers can't put together multiple thoughts into one reasonable conclusion.

That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.

You can't know how he suffered either, but that doesn't stop you from estimating. Not only wasn't it a necessity, it doesn't even make sense. I don't have to cut off my hand if I want to forgive someone, I just do it. Are you seriously be claiming that God couldn't just decide to forgive us without a human sacrifice? If so, it doesn't sound very omnipotent of him.

You're right I can't, but I do know what it means to and for me and have accepted it's reality. This is what God has asked of us.
I do not try to estimate what He did, it's far beyond anyone's comprehension. Seems the omniscient God of creation found it necessary, actually He found it to be the only way. Jesus in His human thoughts asked the Father if it could be another way, then in His divine knowledge He knew this was the only way. Power has nothing to do with this, if power is all it took it would have happened, you need to get real here, love was and is the only answer to the problem man brought to this world and himself.
By the way you do not have to forgive any eternal sin, why, because you are not eternal.

GC