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Atheism destroyed with a question
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question
(February 10, 2014 at 1:14 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(February 10, 2014 at 11:36 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Sounds like an argument against design.

This all has to meticulously set up right from the moment of the creation in order to develop to the complex structure/order that would arrange itself into the form/s we see. Now if you take the human body (including the brain) what you're looking at there is the most complex object in the known universe and it took the universe 13.7 billion years of work to eventually craft this from initial explosion of energy/matter. This require extreme levels of very fine tuning indeed.

The 'math' used to determine this is based on nothing but assumptions. IF the universal constants could be significantly different AND they are essentially random and unrelated to each other such that the value of one doesn't depend on the value of another AND there are no other combinations of values for universal constants in which life like ours would be possible AND life unlike ours is also not possible in any of them AND this universe is the only roll of the dice for these particular values to have occurred (only one universe); THEN it's reasonable to conclude that the universe having properties suitable for the origin and sustenance of life is so against the odds as to be remarkable. But we don't know any of those things for sure with our sample size of one universe. On the contrary side, the 'flatness' of the universe supports the notion that the values of the physical constants may be quite constrained by physical necessity of the universe having a net energy budget of either practically or actually zero.

The argument that the universe's habitability is extremely unlikely is based on a thought experiment, not evidence.
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Atheism destroyed with a question - by dsian - February 1, 2014 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 1, 2014 at 7:14 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Nine - February 1, 2014 at 7:21 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Alex K - February 1, 2014 at 7:30 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by StuW - February 1, 2014 at 8:32 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 23, 2014 at 9:10 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by popeyespappy - February 23, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 1, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by houseofcantor - February 1, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 1, 2014 at 9:41 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by LostLocke - February 1, 2014 at 9:40 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Napoléon - February 1, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Tonus - February 1, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Mister Agenda - February 3, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Whateverist - February 5, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Revelation777 - February 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 16, 2014 at 10:51 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Esquilax - February 16, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Revelation777 - February 16, 2014 at 11:13 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Cyberman - February 16, 2014 at 11:23 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jackalope - February 17, 2014 at 11:38 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by The Valkyrie - February 2, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 3, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by EvolutionKills - February 4, 2014 at 9:23 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 7:13 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Zen Badger - February 8, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 10, 2014 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 8:10 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Minimalist - February 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 7:29 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 9, 2014 at 5:46 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 7:37 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by EvolutionKills - February 10, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Minimalist - February 8, 2014 at 7:33 pm
Atheism destroyed with a question - by Rampant.A.I. - February 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 10, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 1:14 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Mister Agenda - February 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Cato - February 11, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Mister Agenda - February 11, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by MindForgedManacle - February 11, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 11, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 11, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jackalope - February 11, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 11, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Tonus - February 14, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Alex K - February 14, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Cyberman - February 16, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Crossless1 - February 16, 2014 at 11:29 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 16, 2014 at 11:34 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Revelation777 - February 17, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Esquilax - February 17, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Crossless1 - February 18, 2014 at 3:35 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by LostLocke - February 18, 2014 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Whateverist - February 16, 2014 at 11:39 pm
I'll cast the first stone - by Cyberman - February 16, 2014 at 11:47 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Whateverist - February 17, 2014 at 12:04 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Crossless1 - February 17, 2014 at 12:11 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Minimalist - February 17, 2014 at 2:35 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Ryantology - February 17, 2014 at 2:43 am
Atheism destroyed with a question - by Rampant.A.I. - February 17, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by The Valkyrie - February 17, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Alex K - February 18, 2014 at 4:35 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 18, 2014 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Esquilax - February 18, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 18, 2014 at 8:34 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Sword of Christ - February 18, 2014 at 8:54 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Faith No More - February 18, 2014 at 10:14 am
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by The Valkyrie - February 18, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Cyberman - February 18, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Minimalist - February 23, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by The Valkyrie - February 23, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Jacob(smooth) - February 18, 2014 at 11:04 am
Atheism destroyed with a question - by Rampant.A.I. - February 18, 2014 at 11:39 am
Atheism destroyed with a question - by Rampant.A.I. - February 18, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by zzz_pt - February 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Alex K - February 23, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Mr. Moncrieff - February 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Bad Writer - February 23, 2014 at 6:33 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Mr. Moncrieff - February 23, 2014 at 6:38 pm
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RE: Atheism destroyed with a question - by Rahul - February 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm
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