RE: Why your exsistence is more worthless than you previousy thought it was.
February 11, 2014 at 8:54 am
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2014 at 8:57 am by Alex K.)
(February 11, 2014 at 8:32 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:You think that your beliefs are such natural and obvious an alternative to atheism, that it's basically either the one or the other. It ain't so. Even if atheism were wrong, the chances that you are right may still be minuscule.Quote:Yes, there is a great deal of finality to my happiness. To yours as well I reckon, because, by the way, believing otherwise doesn't make it so.
One of us will be entirely mistaken on the subject of the existence of God\the non-physical though only you have the prospect of being comprehensively to be proved mistaken. If what you believe is true then no-one will ever find out. If what I believe is true then atheists are going know all about it at some stage guaranteed.
Quote:I intended to use "Straw Vulcan" in a TV Tropes kind of senseQuote:No, I wouldn't do that, actually, that's a terrible strawman depicting atheists as some kind of Vulcan caricature.
Even Vulcans had religion and had mystical powers and shit. They were still entirely logically though of course, the emotional control they had was a religious/spiritual discipline.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawVulcan
Quote:Huh?Quote:I wouldn't feed them comforting lies about the afterlife, though.
Nothing is ever here all we ever see are changes in form.
Quote: In any case I think there is good evidence of different kinds that life/consciousness isn't annihilated by physical death.No. There is overwhelming evidence that our memories, consciousness and personality are tied entirely to our brain and body. Not the other way around.
Quote:Though even if that did happen it wouldn't happen seeing as you wouldn't exist to experience it happening if you think about itI can live with that
Quote:Belief is only a dirty word if you use it to mean unevidenced belief. Again, the fact that you can make up some unfalsifiable claim does not mean that it automatically has a sizable probability of being right. I can make up a zillion things on the spot which you can't disprove. We know that the material world exists, anything beyond that needs evidence.Quote: However, I wouldn't talk the dying person next to me out of their faith, if they didn't desire and start that discussion themselves.
It's not that like you would get far anyway seeing as you only have some kind of a belief yourself. Why should they take your word for it?
Quote:Exactly! Oh wait, you do think that there are good reasons to believe it...Quote:See, there's harm in delusions.
It isn't a delusion if there's a good chance it might actually be true if there are good reasons to believe it.
Quote: It's still a faith if you can't be factually certainThere is never factual certainty of anything, there are only degrees of belief, so this argument is completely bogus.
If you need to put all possible statements without absolute factual certainty on the same level for your argument to work, you have therefore lost. It's just a rhetorical trick to discredit science and evidenced beliefs by putting them in the same class as unevidenced religious belief.
Quote:but you can't be factually certain that atheism is true either.See above.