Atheism destroyed with a question

[Sword of Christ]

Assertion, assertion, assertion.

Assertions of facts science can support with evidence. Assertions that Atheists don't believe in God, last time I checked that was the idea of it. If anything I said is wrong feel free to point out what and why.

We don't recognize design via complexity, genius.

So if you had never seen a fighter plane before and you saw one flying overhead you wouldn't see it as being something purposefully designed and crafted by an intelligence for a purpose? As long as we're clear on your way of thinking. It's not a usual way of thinking though most people would recognize the plane as a work of an intelligence. Now take the universe as a whole and the exact same applies. You don't need to prove it was you just ought to know via common sense. You can't prove it anyway seeing as science can study God directly only what he created.

We recognize design via contrast with the natural.

The natural is the design, the universe is the creation. Not a bare assertion that's whole entire the idea and central crux of argument.

Complex things do occur in nature, you know

But that's the whole point...

; you don't just magically intuit design into complex things

Exactly, therefore the universe has a purposeful intelligent creator. We're getting somewhere now.

, that's begging the question right from the outset by inserting your conclusion "there's a designer," into your premise "complex things denote designers."

In the same way as you would recognize a plane as having a designer even if you didn't know what it was. That's not beginning the question it's just what is obvious and you can see and understand.

Design is recognized by comparing it to things that are naturally occurring

Everything that occurs naturally is part of the design, God created it. I'm pointing out the idea concept you're not understanding not making an assertion btw. You are saying the same thing as "cars don't need makers".

which makes detecting design impossible under your worldview, because to you everything is designed.

That's the idea yes, all the laws of physics and natural processes of the universe and everything.

So when you see that car, you're looking at a designed thing, on a world of designed things, in a universe of designed things, and you yourself are a designed thing. Where's your point of contrast to make any determination at all?

There isn't one you just have to use your common sense and rational mind. It takes a rational mind to know of the mind a rational creator, we're in his image after all.

So as I said earlier, your argument boils down to "pattern recognition therefore causation."? That's an unjustified leap of logic.

You can see how the whole entirety of the universe ties together based upon the overall framework which was set in place from the moment of creation. But if you're in this "cars don't need makers" mindset you won't really appreciate or see it for what it is.

So, it helps to see that you're right if you presuppose that you're right?

That's all you're doing, I'm supplying the reason and evidence and you're ignoring it. That's all atheism is.

Hall of shame!

Assertion, assertion, assertion.

A valid and factual observation isn't an assertion.

Take it to the debate forum with me, if you're so confident.

I think I already covered the reasoning behind the teleological argument which is one the main arguments that fully refutes atheist metaphysical position. There are other very good rational arguments against atheism of course.