The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

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The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

Zen Badger Offline

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

February 19, 2014 at 8:54 am

(February 19, 2014 at 8:40 am)Alex K Wrote:
(February 19, 2014 at 8:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote: But we are agreed that c is a constant though?

I'd say c is the unique constant speed of light which you measure for a round trip, or for a one way trip using the homogeneous isotropic convention for what time means.

I'll take that as a yes then.

If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.

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The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 4:43 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Darwinian - June 27, 2012 at 6:10 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 7:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by NoMoreFaith - June 27, 2012 at 7:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 6:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - October 21, 2013 at 6:08 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 6:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - October 21, 2013 at 7:58 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 7:24 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 7:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 8:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Gambit - June 27, 2012 at 7:48 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - June 27, 2012 at 7:51 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - June 27, 2012 at 10:43 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by popeyespappy - June 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Jackalope - June 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zaphod Beeblebrox - June 27, 2012 at 8:41 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 9:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zaphod Beeblebrox - June 27, 2012 at 11:02 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - June 27, 2012 at 10:27 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 25, 2013 at 3:43 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - October 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - October 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 25, 2013 at 6:04 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 25, 2013 at 8:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 25, 2013 at 10:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - June 27, 2012 at 11:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - June 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - June 27, 2012 at 1:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Gambit - June 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - June 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - June 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by libalchris - June 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Welsh cake - June 28, 2012 at 1:59 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - June 29, 2012 at 5:57 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - June 29, 2012 at 8:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Norfolk And Chance - June 29, 2012 at 10:17 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Dolphins are the best - October 19, 2013 at 9:11 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Kayenneh - October 19, 2013 at 10:10 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 21, 2013 at 3:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - October 21, 2013 at 4:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ThomM - October 21, 2013 at 6:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - October 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Bob Kelso - October 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 21, 2013 at 5:42 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by LastPoet - October 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - October 21, 2013 at 6:52 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ThomM - October 21, 2013 at 7:27 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 21, 2013 at 10:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 5:41 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 9:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 23, 2013 at 11:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 22, 2013 at 10:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 22, 2013 at 11:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 24, 2013 at 1:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 24, 2013 at 2:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 24, 2013 at 8:33 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - October 24, 2013 at 1:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - October 24, 2013 at 1:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - October 24, 2013 at 2:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 24, 2013 at 3:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 24, 2013 at 6:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 24, 2013 at 8:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 24, 2013 at 12:42 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 24, 2013 at 1:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Re: RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 25, 2013 at 4:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Silver - October 25, 2013 at 6:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - October 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 26, 2013 at 7:50 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - October 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 6:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 25, 2013 at 7:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - October 25, 2013 at 6:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 25, 2013 at 9:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - October 25, 2013 at 9:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 9:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by freedomfromforum - October 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 28, 2013 at 8:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 29, 2013 at 6:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 28, 2013 at 8:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - October 28, 2013 at 9:26 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 29, 2013 at 8:04 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 29, 2013 at 7:14 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 8:30 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 29, 2013 at 10:30 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 29, 2013 at 10:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 29, 2013 at 11:05 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 30, 2013 at 8:28 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 9:41 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 30, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 12:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 1:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 31, 2013 at 12:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 31, 2013 at 7:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 4, 2013 at 4:25 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 4, 2013 at 3:05 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 7, 2013 at 6:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2013 at 9:55 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 11:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 30, 2013 at 10:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 1, 2013 at 9:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 9:59 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 2, 2013 at 12:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Silver - November 1, 2013 at 10:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 11:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 2, 2013 at 12:22 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - November 2, 2013 at 9:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 2, 2013 at 10:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - November 3, 2013 at 12:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 2, 2013 at 11:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 2, 2013 at 11:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 3, 2013 at 12:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 4, 2013 at 2:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 4, 2013 at 4:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 3:21 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 9:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 11:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 3:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 3:58 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - November 19, 2013 at 6:01 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - November 20, 2013 at 10:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2013 at 6:14 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 19, 2013 at 5:51 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2013 at 6:25 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 21, 2013 at 7:58 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 22, 2013 at 8:05 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - November 23, 2013 at 1:07 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Brian37 - November 22, 2013 at 6:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Brian37 - November 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 7:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 23, 2013 at 10:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Silver - November 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 22, 2013 at 8:14 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 24, 2013 at 8:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 24, 2013 at 10:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 2:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 25, 2013 at 11:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 6:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 6:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 9:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 9:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 8:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 11:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 11:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 12:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 28, 2013 at 2:59 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 5:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 28, 2013 at 5:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 7:37 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 7:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 8:17 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 8:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 11:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 1:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 29, 2013 at 9:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Godlesspanther - November 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 1, 2013 at 7:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 2, 2013 at 6:37 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 2, 2013 at 11:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 3, 2013 at 4:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 6:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - December 4, 2013 at 11:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Lion IRC - December 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ablenova - December 2, 2013 at 7:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 10:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 2, 2013 at 11:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 4, 2013 at 7:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 4, 2013 at 7:24 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 4, 2013 at 7:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - December 4, 2013 at 7:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 4, 2013 at 7:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 4, 2013 at 8:05 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 11:22 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 12:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 12:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 4:21 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 4:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 6:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 7:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 6:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 7:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 9:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 9:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 9:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 6, 2013 at 12:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 6, 2013 at 10:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Michael Schubert - December 5, 2013 at 11:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 12:28 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 7, 2013 at 1:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ThomM - December 7, 2013 at 10:27 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 7, 2013 at 5:01 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 7, 2013 at 10:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 9, 2013 at 6:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 9, 2013 at 10:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 12, 2013 at 7:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 12, 2013 at 10:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 13, 2013 at 7:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 14, 2013 at 5:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 15, 2013 at 4:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 18, 2013 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 18, 2013 at 7:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 8:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 19, 2013 at 4:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 20, 2013 at 8:25 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by theyear12013 - December 21, 2013 at 12:49 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - December 21, 2013 at 3:42 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - December 21, 2013 at 9:27 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Godlesspanther - December 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 25, 2013 at 11:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 26, 2013 at 12:07 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 12:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 26, 2013 at 12:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 27, 2013 at 12:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - December 26, 2013 at 12:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - December 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 27, 2013 at 2:55 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - December 27, 2013 at 8:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 27, 2013 at 8:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - December 27, 2013 at 8:21 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 30, 2013 at 8:35 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 27, 2013 at 8:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 27, 2013 at 9:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - January 3, 2014 at 8:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 6, 2014 at 12:25 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 6, 2014 at 9:14 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 6, 2014 at 1:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 6, 2014 at 2:37 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - January 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Mudhammam - January 8, 2014 at 10:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - January 15, 2014 at 7:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 16, 2014 at 12:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 16, 2014 at 1:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - January 21, 2014 at 2:55 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - January 21, 2014 at 7:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by WesOlsen - January 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 24, 2014 at 10:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 6, 2014 at 8:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - February 7, 2014 at 11:48 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Whateverist - February 6, 2014 at 9:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 6, 2014 at 9:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - February 7, 2014 at 1:52 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Whateverist - February 7, 2014 at 11:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - February 8, 2014 at 5:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - February 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Re: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by StuW - February 7, 2014 at 12:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Mudhammam - February 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by WesOlsen - February 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 8, 2014 at 5:51 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - February 11, 2014 at 9:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 15, 2014 at 12:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - February 14, 2014 at 10:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - February 14, 2014 at 10:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 15, 2014 at 11:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 15, 2014 at 11:32 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 15, 2014 at 6:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 3:35 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2014 at 5:32 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 5:46 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2014 at 6:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 10:57 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2014 at 6:04 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by StuW - February 18, 2014 at 8:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 18, 2014 at 9:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 6:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 7:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 7:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:02 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:39 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 9:07 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 9:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 9:17 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 19, 2014 at 8:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 5:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 25, 2014 at 11:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 26, 2014 at 3:27 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 28, 2014 at 3:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 5:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 7:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 7:33 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 7:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Crossless1 - February 19, 2014 at 8:53 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 19, 2014 at 11:50 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 4:49 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - February 20, 2014 at 1:04 am

The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Rampant.A.I. - February 20, 2014 at 1:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 8:14 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 8:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 21, 2014 at 6:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 21, 2014 at 9:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 22, 2014 at 3:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 24, 2014 at 5:15 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 22, 2014 at 6:17 am

The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Rampant.A.I. - February 22, 2014 at 4:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 25, 2014 at 7:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 25, 2014 at 7:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 25, 2014 at 9:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 24, 2014 at 3:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 24, 2014 at 5:27 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 12:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 3, 2014 at 2:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 3:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 3, 2014 at 4:37 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by LostLocke - March 3, 2014 at 9:52 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by popeyespappy - March 3, 2014 at 10:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 4, 2014 at 4:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Bad Writer - March 3, 2014 at 12:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 1:35 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - March 3, 2014 at 3:42 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - March 3, 2014 at 12:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Bad Writer - March 3, 2014 at 1:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - March 3, 2014 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - March 3, 2014 at 3:25 pm

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