(February 24, 2014 at 4:14 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: So you're saying that because I took heroin at the age of 13 through 14 in a blind, wild attempt to try to numb myself to the memories of being raped a couple dozen times, and became addicted to it, I should be denied treatment because people who have been affected through no fault of their own don't get any either, even though the cost of doing so is not even the tiniest fraction of what it takes to perform a cancer operation.
Yes, that is exactly what I said! Fucking hell, man. You just skipped over the fact that I was talking about persecution complexes there and not actual treatment. The part where I get to the treatment says in no way that addicts should be denied treatment.
Quote:Basically I should've just had to live up to my choice, eh?
Well, first you would have had to admit it was a choice. I have no idea how you managed to get off it without that. Maybe you just replaced it with something else. Who knows?
Quote: Who are you to say whether or not someone is addicted by their choice alone?
Did someone stick a needle in their arm at gun point? No? Choice. Why is that so offensive to you? I have had plenty of injuries that were my fault. I don't get all fucking uppity and blame it on "life" or "circumstances." It was my own dumb fault.
Quote:How do you selectively identify the ones who were driven into it by circumstance from the ones who were just stupid?
That's the age old excuse. "I need a drink because my boss is a dick." "I hit you because you drove me to it." "I need to blow another line so I can stay awake to study." It doesn't matter what the fucking excuse is. It's an excuse. For every addict, I'll find you another person who didn't make that choice under very similar circumstances. Still have no idea what the problem is with calling it a choice.
Quote:Or do you just reject them all, nevermind that life fucks someone over severely enough they fall to that low and that treating it is far less costly than treating a cancer patient? In fact, treating addicts is actually beneficial to society.
I never said to reject them. Of course, I can see this is going to be one of those, "Ermagerd, you're not an enabler, so fuck you." conversations, anyway. It's funny how you can come from a history of addiction and abuse and still not want to pander to addiction while others want to pretend it just magically happens when you have a tough time of it. Suck it up, kiddos.