Heroin overdose cure: It exists, but how do you get it?

[EgoRaptor]

Should we shuffle all people who harm themselves due to controllable factors to the back of the line? Because, I don't ever want to be the person who makes that decision.

Yes, we should.

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I've used opium before and certainly didn't feel addicted after limited use. I think the addiction after a single use thing is a myth created by war on drugs types.

Not to downplay your experience, but opium is quite weak compared to other drugs like heroin, especially if you're mainlining it. The single use addiction is very possible under the right circumstances, like the person having a genetic predisposition to addiction.

And I think that only people that have never made mistakes in their lives should be allowed to use the "you did it to yourself, so you don't deserve any help" argument.

No, but anyone who has not majorly fucked up & gotten addicted is sitting in a seat of judgement to those that have.

Also, you may notice I have bolded a part about people who are genetically predisposed to addiction. Let those weak individuals die off, the world will be a better place for it.

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"Those poor oppressed people! It isn't like they did this to themselves or anything!" Are you serious? Irrational to not want to needle exchange dedicated to helping these people extend their addictions? I am 16 & I haven't smoked a single cig. People do this to themselves, and if it gets them killed then good riddance! The last thing we need is needle exchanges that encourage this sort of behavior. The best thing to do is just let them kill themselves. Rid ourselves of this filth!

So I'm filth?

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Nice way to dodge addressing the argument. Why should the good taxpayer have to pay for a bunch of degenerate addicts?

And a degenerate?

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Yeah. As my people say, "there, but for the grace of God, go I."

I imagine there is something analogous in Atheism.

Well not in atheism, nothing's really in atheism [literally], but amongst atheists, I imagine we do. I usually use whatever it was that kept me from not being in that situation.

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I prefer Nietzschean individualism to petty compassion. What has altruism ever done but forced us to carry the weak?

Other than bring people out of desperate situations and elevate them so they may become working, functioning, productive members of society, thus benefiting the whole?

You use individualism, and then you use the plural "us."

Which is it? Forced YOU to carry the weak, personally? Or forced EVERYONE to carry the weak? If it's everyone, why do YOU care, Mister Individualism? Is the fraction of a penny your tax dollar, and everyone elses tax dollar, goes to towards providing medical assistance and rehabilitation facilities for people who overdose from a drug they could have taken for any number of reasons really something you're missing?

Wait, you're 16. You don't even pay any taxes. And you never smoked a cigarette, eh? Good for you, that'll go away in about five years when you're working, I imagine... Back to the topic at hand, though, when you've experienced the world for yourself, and not under the sheltered, pampered little existence your mommy and daddy provide for you, or IF you ever experience it, you'll begin to understand.

Until then, you'll have to forgive me for sneering in derisive contempt at your screen name and your posts when you say I am a lowlife and degenerate, because the hell, trials, and tribulations I've gone through and overcome make me far more of a man, far more worthy, far more powerful, far more respectable, far more resilient, and far more acutely aware of reality than you ever will be. Your warm, cozy little existence will leave you shivering in the howling cold that awaits you once you need to leave mommy and daddy's shelter, whereas I've not only gone past the part where I killed the wolf and wore its fur, I LOVE the biting, painful, bitter cold. It's my world, my home.

Who is truly the degenerate lowlife? The man who becomes addicted to a drug he took to numb the pain of a tortured life, survives a fatal dose of, overcomes, and eventually removes from his life in spite of the fact he is fighting against the tide? Or the child who passes judgment on others, an armchair moral authority, without having any insight or understanding to what his counterpart experiences?

I think we all know the answer. Don't we.

One giant ad hom. Nice job man. I especially liked the whole woe is me thing. Also, I have suffered from depression my whole life, and I haven't taken a single cigarette. People like you are everything that is wrong with this world. Weak & expecting everyone else to take the blame for you mistakes. Suck it up.

I care that the strong are forced to carry the weak because I don't want a society held back by the meek. The strong should not have to carry the weak, if the weak cannot carry themselves than let them fall.

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So you're saying that because I took heroin at the age of 13 through 14 in a blind, wild attempt to try to numb myself to the memories of being raped a couple dozen times, and became addicted to it, I should be denied treatment because people who have been affected through no fault of their own don't get any either, even though the cost of doing so is not even the tiniest fraction of what it takes to perform a cancer operation. Basically I should've just had to live up to my choice, eh? Tough cookies, I'm responsible for myself, believing I deserved treatment like any other person suffering and slowly dying because I made a decision that could have been because of a million factors, many of which are not particularly pleasant? Who are you to say whether or not someone is addicted by their choice alone? Do you factor in the contexts in which someone became addicted? How do you selectively identify the ones who were driven into it by circumstance from the ones who were just stupid? Or do you just reject them all, nevermind that life fucks someone over severely enough they fall to that low and that treating it is far less costly than treating a cancer patient? In fact, treating addicts is actually beneficial to society.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/pr...h-its-cost

According to several conservative estimates, every dollar invested in addiction treatment programs yields a return of between $4 and $7 in reduced drug-related crime, criminal justice costs, and theft. When savings related to healthcare are included, total savings can exceed costs by a ratio of 12 to 1. Major savings to the individual and to society also stem from fewer interpersonal conflicts; greater workplace productivity; and fewer drug-related accidents, including overdoses and deaths.

You know what works even better? Letting them die. That saves a lot more money.

Notice the bolded part, ya that is exactly what I am saying. Suck it up!