(March 4, 2014 at 12:25 am)Stimbo Wrote: In science, there is direct and indirect observation. Direct observation would cover watching an object fall to the ground and then testing for the cause.HAHA... This reminds me of a story involving my sister. I ate all her chips ahoy cookies, then I put the plastic container that it came in by the dog's cage and when she saw that, she actually believed that the dog ate it. She wasn't there to observe the fact that it was actually I who ate the cookies. I'm mean.
Indirect observation applies when we see a remnant of an earlier event and then work out what caused our observation. If you were to see a smashed goldfish bowl on the floor, a wet carpet and a contented looking cat, you don't need to have been present at the event to work out what happened.
(March 4, 2014 at 12:46 am)Cinjin Wrote: "I don't know how the universe began. That doesn't mean that we default to wizard's gardens, dirt men and talking snakes."I guess what my friend was trying to say is that the big bang is based on belief just like creation is based on belief because there wasn't anybody around to actually see it happen. He doesn't believe that "a dot can just come into existence without something living already existing to cause the dot to exist."
I always liked that answer.
Idk... Whatever, I guess.