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Overstating the case for Athiesm.
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RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm.
(March 7, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Argument for Christ never existing.

Feel free to trot out your "evidence."

P.S. you can skip the whole, Pliny/Tacitus/Suetonius/Josephus line of shit. It's been dealt with before.

Well as to the evidence of many, many Jesus (Jesusi? plural) it is a myth and many many people all over the world have made the crazy claim to be him over and over again. The police and psychiatrists in Israel have specific response protocols to those kinds of people. The last one I remember that made the news was David Koresh. I somehow ^doubt(fixed) he was unique or special, and am suspicious of people making bs general claims like "Romans were excellent records keepers" to justify a little to convenient argument. I don't want any of whatever faith in that your selling.

I agree with all the posters here who say they don't care and he certainly was at best a street preacher mild magician and more likely a composite myth. I just think trying to go further is a waste and most likely unknowable, as history is a really spotty many times falsified thing.

As to knowing about the origin of life, I agree it would be nice to know, however knowledge begins by knowing what you do not know.

(March 7, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: ...
The case for atheism is that theists have not met their burden of proof to support their claim that a god exists.

Most atheists do not argue that Jesus did not exist. Because it doesn't matter. The existence of a historical Jesus offers ZERO evidence for any of the supernatural events associated with him.

You seem to think that the only god atheists do not believe in is the Christian one.

As far as the origin of life goes, while the exact mechanism of how it occurred is not known, it is known that there is no need to invoke a god in order to explain it.

So, basically, none of the stuff you mentioned have anything to do with 'the case for atheism'.

Care to rephrase?

Well my definition is slightly different. Atheists should believe based upon good evidence that any specific theology is incorrect, including the many postulated gods of the various theologies. This is based upon specific claims of each theology being provably false. The historical lack or specific or multiple existence of Jesus is not a relevant fact with enough evidence to make a difference. All muslims, jews, and christians profess or have professed to believe in Noah. Noah is a myth that could have never happened, as proven by the laws of physics and geological record of no global flood. Thus muslims, jews, and christians are all retelling at least one fairy tail. Seems like a pretty tight argument compared to "romans were good record keepers I think?"

Another amusing one, the spate of deaths among snake handling preachers. Clearly god does NOT protect you from snake bites.
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Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by CapnAwesome - March 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by pocaracas - March 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Tonus - March 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Fromper - March 7, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 7, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Angrboda - March 7, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Brakeman - March 7, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Brakeman - March 7, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 8, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:25 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 7, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 12:11 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 12:14 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 8, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 3:04 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 8, 2014 at 3:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Aractus - March 8, 2014 at 6:41 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Whateverist - March 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 8, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by LastPoet - March 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 9, 2014 at 12:53 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 1:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 9, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 2:56 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Jackalope - March 9, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 3:05 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 9, 2014 at 3:16 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 3:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 9, 2014 at 3:26 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 4:40 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Esquilax - March 9, 2014 at 6:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2014 at 6:14 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by MitchBenn - March 9, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 10, 2014 at 1:51 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Alex K - March 10, 2014 at 2:22 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Mister Agenda - March 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Faith No More - March 16, 2014 at 2:21 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 1:31 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:54 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 2:12 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Faith No More - March 16, 2014 at 2:32 am

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