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Overstating the case for Athiesm.
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RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm.
I think you need to stop speaking to xtians and start talking to some jews.

http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTM...17-03.html

Quote:Countering the Question: Why Don't Jews Believe in Jesus as the Messiah?

Answer:

The question above is a typical one asked by Christian Missionaries. The answer is easy, if one understands Jewish beliefs.

Jews do not believe that the Messiah is a part of G-d, or Divine in any way, more than any other person. Jews look only to G-d for our salvation, and when the time comes for G-d to bring the anointed king, then it shall happen. Jews do not concern ourselves with the messiah’s identity, for the messiah is a person and the messiah's coming does not change our relationship with G-d. Jews do not accept the notion that Scripture “foretells” that G-d would robe Himself in flesh; in fact, to Jews, this idea is idolatry, and we stand against it.

Quote:The reason why Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is straightforward: he did not meet the requirements in the job requisition! G-d outlined these requirements in the Bible. The key aspect of proof is in the state of the world.According to the Bible, amongst the most mission of the messiah includes returning the world to return to G-d and G-d's teachings; restoring the royal dynasty to the descendants of David; overseeing the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Temple; gathering the Jewish people from all over the world and bringing them home to the Land of Israel; reestablishing the Sanhedrin; restoring the sacrificial system, the Sabbatical year and Jubilee. This simply has not happened. Judaism has no notion of the messiah not doing these things on the first visit, let along needing a second visit to do these things. Whenever these things are described in the Tanach, the description says that the messiah will come and do these things—once.

Oh, you want specifics? According to Torah, the Messiah will:

Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple

Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel

Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."

Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"

Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Oh, and there is none of this 'second coming' shit, either. The messiah gets one bite at the apple.
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Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by CapnAwesome - March 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by pocaracas - March 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Tonus - March 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Fromper - March 7, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 7, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Simon Moon - March 7, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Angrboda - March 7, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Brakeman - March 7, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Brakeman - March 7, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 8, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:25 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 7, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 7, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 7, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 12:11 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 12:14 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 8, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 8, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 3:04 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 8, 2014 at 3:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Aractus - March 8, 2014 at 6:41 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Whateverist - March 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 8, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by LastPoet - March 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 9, 2014 at 12:53 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 1:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 9, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 2:56 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Jackalope - March 9, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 3:05 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 9, 2014 at 3:16 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Minimalist - March 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 3:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Rahul - March 9, 2014 at 3:26 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 4:40 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Esquilax - March 9, 2014 at 6:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 9, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2014 at 6:14 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by MitchBenn - March 9, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 10, 2014 at 1:51 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Alex K - March 10, 2014 at 2:22 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Mister Agenda - March 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Faith No More - March 16, 2014 at 2:21 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 1:31 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 1:54 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by *Deidre* - March 16, 2014 at 2:12 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by rsb - March 16, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Overstating the case for Athiesm. - by Faith No More - March 16, 2014 at 2:32 am

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