A small thanks to the resident Theists..

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[quote='Luckie' pid='617952' dateline='1394214693']

Listen here you little hobbit. I don't need to prove (and in your eyes could never prove) my prior belief system to you, in my eyes the burden of proof that I believed in a god other than the Abrahamic god, lies upon you; I have Biblical scriptural support for every frippery I voluntarily endured and was made to endure. Were it not for that stupid fucking book I still would have found love, forgiveness, humility, strength.. Just as I do now. You're on my Facebook; I invite you to ask my mom how I live my life as an atheist. I'm a better person now than I ever was, because when it comes right down to it the Bible is poison. Just look at you; you're in a forum full of people -rational, good natured people--and because you can't defend the Bible to any degree, you're telling a perfectly good woman she's 'of the mark' and was never a True Christian™…Yet another assertion you make without being able to support it biblically or in reality .

If you don't take the Bible literally, honestly, that's preferable in my eyes. But therin lies a double edged sword; you can't claim the bits you like, and ignore the parts you don't, then call others who take the Bible at its word not true believers.

If you think a person should be better with or without faith, that demonstrates your misunderstanding of what faith is.

Do you agree with that biblical principle?

Demonstrate that it's a biblical principle, then explain whether or not you agree with it.

It doesn't make me into a good person. It gives me the potential to be a good person where you don't have that potential, without being able to justify rationally a just universe.

Funny.

Let's see what the bible says about it.

... works done by unregenerate men, although for the matter of them they may be things which God commands; and of good use both to themselves and others: yet, because they proceed not from an heart purified by faith; nor are done in a right manner, according to the Word; nor to a right end, the glory of God, they are therefore sinful and cannot please God, or make a man meet to receive grace from God.... (WCF XVI.7)

That is, for a work to be good it must be done in faith and in obedience to God's Word, seeking His glory.

So based on your bible, no good can be done by someone without the faith, without doing it for the glory of god.

It must be a lonely fucking world, looking around at people doing good things and thinking it's not good. Kinda makes you paranoid, I'd imagine--'Oh, that guy isn't doing it for god so he must have an ulterior motive!'
'Surely he can't be doing good for the sake of doing good!'
'Because surely doing something good for someone can't possibly be rewarding in and of itself! Because surely the Bible invented that premise in the first place!'

*scoff

I don't question your belief, now or then. I question the depravity of what you claim to be Christianity as you say it. This, sadly for you, is how Christianity works. No one takes every persons word for everything they come out with. We have to test what they say for truth. What you're saying falls flat on its face. You're either lying or you're forgetting what happened. That much is beyond doubt.

I think you've built up a strawman my friend. Demonstrate this 'beyond doubtness.'
Give me an example; I'll show you biblical support for each and every one of my faith based standpoints.

"You shall know them by their fruits". I guess everyone around you knew who's side you were batting for?

I am, and always have been, a beacon of light for those around me. As I said, just ask them.
I'm Just, and compassionate. Strong for myself and those in my life who need it. I give my heart and my all. Always have, always will. It's just that now I am a much better human, because I accept everyone not just those god says are okay to accept. My sense of right and wrong is more correct, and without prejudice--unlike yours. Weren't you one of the ones in the "would you kill for god" thread, saying you would?

Tisk tisk, Fr0d0. I'm more moral than you are, without a doubt.

I don't take the bible literally as the pseudo literalists do. I try to understand it as accurately as physically possible. That happens to contradict your understanding. I take absolutely every bit of the bible as truth and of course it's disingenuous and a cheap shot from you to suggest otherwise.

Demonstrate how my calling you on being true to your bible, and what it says-------all of it------ is a cheap shot? I mean it says right there in black and white that ,

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16


Oh and I'm still laughing about the fact that you think I'm a devil worshipper. Doesn't being 'of the mark' imply that I've subjugated my allegiance to the Devil?

So I'm wildly of 'the mark'. Funny how I have to teach you what your own Bible says.
That is not your place to say, in the first place--nor is it your place or right to say that nonbelievers go to hell.

(Romans 9:15-16)
For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy, and nobody but God knows the ultimate justice each individual will receive.

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