(March 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think without the spiritual realm, value of ourselves and our concept of ourselves would be based on something that doesn't verify either of those concepts. At the very least, to find meaning, you have to find value in yourself. I find that we do have intuitive sense of value but when thought from perspective that spiritual doesn't exist, it seems it has no basis and is just fabricated in our minds.
Yes that's right.
Doesn't make it any less of a thing though. Do I love my children less because I think there is no god? of course not.
Am I less moral than theists? no.
We are social creatures and these attributes: Justice, mercy, love, honesty, honour are all a result of that, not some extra spiritual thing.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
