RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 9, 2014 at 9:44 am
The thing about Catholicism is that it has existed in a form with a similar structure to its current one for well over 1000 years. What a lot of fundies don't seem to get is that an institution that OLD has already had to deal with every argument they bring up. Whats more, in its 1000 year+ history it has had to deal with the fallout of being wrong so often that it has literally just given the up on trying to fight the discoveries of science (even if it adopts somewhat questionable arguments against certain applications).
I will readily admit that my degree area only covered introductory cosmology (physics III at an State University). Pretty much every argument presented since page 1 of this thread shows a poor comprehension of even newtonian mechanics much less higher order quantum or reletivistic physics. The big bang theory would seem to violate some principles of newtonian physics.... in the same way that newtonian physics was on the verge of being a heresy compared to aristotelian mechanical "models" (I know that from a historical perspective the pre-enlightment physics didn't actually include a model but was instead a set of principles but for the purpose of this discussion we can use the term as a similar place holder).
The arguments presented here are roughly the equivalent of people who said that newtonian mechanics couldn't possibly be true because it involves to many "invisible" or imparted forces and an invisible force is MAGIC (this was one indeed for a long time one of the principle arguments against newton). IF any of the arguments that were presented here were in any way remotely valid they would have been made by scientists and those scientists for have recieved a nobel prize for providing the the evidence that one of the most important cosmological theories of 20th century was impossible. Instead what has been found is pages and pages of corroborating evidence. If any further proof is needed that this is how science works consider that nobody has tried to use super-string theory to defend BBT. 2 Decades of research and not much to show = a theory that is no longer well received.
I will readily admit that my degree area only covered introductory cosmology (physics III at an State University). Pretty much every argument presented since page 1 of this thread shows a poor comprehension of even newtonian mechanics much less higher order quantum or reletivistic physics. The big bang theory would seem to violate some principles of newtonian physics.... in the same way that newtonian physics was on the verge of being a heresy compared to aristotelian mechanical "models" (I know that from a historical perspective the pre-enlightment physics didn't actually include a model but was instead a set of principles but for the purpose of this discussion we can use the term as a similar place holder).
The arguments presented here are roughly the equivalent of people who said that newtonian mechanics couldn't possibly be true because it involves to many "invisible" or imparted forces and an invisible force is MAGIC (this was one indeed for a long time one of the principle arguments against newton). IF any of the arguments that were presented here were in any way remotely valid they would have been made by scientists and those scientists for have recieved a nobel prize for providing the the evidence that one of the most important cosmological theories of 20th century was impossible. Instead what has been found is pages and pages of corroborating evidence. If any further proof is needed that this is how science works consider that nobody has tried to use super-string theory to defend BBT. 2 Decades of research and not much to show = a theory that is no longer well received.
Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks -- those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - F. Nietzche