RE: An atheists guide to reality
March 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2014 at 3:01 pm by Mystic.)
What I first stated is why I believe value to the self would be a fabrication of the mind without a spiritual world (ie. from the Atheistic outlook). When asked for clarification, I talked about how value of the self would be just conceptual with no reality backing it up as opposed to a spiritual realm and world backing up the value property of the self with substance and essence.
Here the topic of the thread is about nihilism so this was the original topic.
We already got off topic by discussing whether a soul/spiritual world can be a good explanation.
I don't see any reason why it can't be. Two things I see proposed as to why it can't be and people can look at back of the post, one is predictive power in the scientific sense. I already responded that there can be other reasons as to why we want to know something as opposed to it's predictive power.
Then you talked about reasoning with details and when I stated in conclusion we don't need detailed knowledge for an explanation to be good or useful, you denied that and stated it does. I already provided an example to show we don't always need detailed knowledge.
I am going to ask, what do you have to back up the assertions other than them being Atheistic cliches when it comes to supernatural explanation.
You are simply asserting the explanation is of no value because it's not of a certain type but you haven't proven you have to be of that type to be a good explanation.
How can you see the spirit, well, I think it's by looking at the spirit with the spiritual eyes and recognizing your vision within yourself. I think everyone is capable of doing that.
The next thing is we can know value of the self, goodness, etc, requires a metaphysical spiritual reality to it. If this is true and we acknowledge objectively the existence of those things, we can conclude to a spiritual reality.
The predictive power or physical evidence of such thing not being there would not diminish the proof of this nor it as a good explanation or even as a necessary explanation.
Here the topic of the thread is about nihilism so this was the original topic.
We already got off topic by discussing whether a soul/spiritual world can be a good explanation.
I don't see any reason why it can't be. Two things I see proposed as to why it can't be and people can look at back of the post, one is predictive power in the scientific sense. I already responded that there can be other reasons as to why we want to know something as opposed to it's predictive power.
Then you talked about reasoning with details and when I stated in conclusion we don't need detailed knowledge for an explanation to be good or useful, you denied that and stated it does. I already provided an example to show we don't always need detailed knowledge.
I am going to ask, what do you have to back up the assertions other than them being Atheistic cliches when it comes to supernatural explanation.
You are simply asserting the explanation is of no value because it's not of a certain type but you haven't proven you have to be of that type to be a good explanation.
How can you see the spirit, well, I think it's by looking at the spirit with the spiritual eyes and recognizing your vision within yourself. I think everyone is capable of doing that.
The next thing is we can know value of the self, goodness, etc, requires a metaphysical spiritual reality to it. If this is true and we acknowledge objectively the existence of those things, we can conclude to a spiritual reality.
The predictive power or physical evidence of such thing not being there would not diminish the proof of this nor it as a good explanation or even as a necessary explanation.
