Objective Morality, Anyone?

[FreeTony]

What is objective morality?

Theist "You are an immoral Atheist because you don't follow God's laws"
Atheist "How do you know they are moral laws?"
Theist "God is the ultimate moral authority"
Atheist "How do you know that?"

At this point the Theist has a problem. They may claim:

1. Faith - problem is that you could turn around and say that anyone is the ultimate moral authority through Faith. I could turn around and say I have faith in my own morals, which is not objective morality.
2. The Bible - however God breaks his own laws and if the only means of testing whether something is moral is through adherence to said laws, God is now classed as immoral. Even if God was totally moral and was nice to people in the bible, you still wouldn't know whether you are being moral or not as you are restricted by this one scale. God could be evil in the grand scheme of things and have given humans evil laws, and you would have no way of knowing.


I personally think morality has to be based on interactions between humans. I won't steal from you because I don't want you to steal from me as would be a massive annoyance to have to keep stealing from each other. Another problem is that we as humans have empathy, which doesn't neatly tie in to morality.


If you went back to various times in the past and asked people whether their society was more moral than that at the times they didn't live in, they would all say yes.