(March 13, 2014 at 8:43 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Objective morality is such a stupid concept. Morality has to be written in stone by the finger of God or something to make it "right"? What makes that objective?
By definition, it's not.
Objective must mean not subject to any being's opinions or values. If God exists and offers an opinion on what is moral, consistent with his/her/its values, than by definition, this is a subjective system of morality. This continues to be true no matter how powerful, wise or fair-minded the being in question is. All that changes with Divine Command theory is that we surrender our own judgement to another's.
At this point, the apologist tries to redefine "objective" to include "an outsider's perspective" but this is not how we use the word in any other area of our discourse. For example, if a Supreme Court justice rules on a case, the ruling is not considered "objective" but the court's opinion on the matter. The judge may very well be impartial and fair-minded, and he/she may offer a logically compelling and well-supported case for the ruling, but it is still subjective.
Words must mean what they mean in order for us to have a conversation. We can't just redefine words on the fly like that.
When it comes to Yahweh's morality, apologists love to create contrived definitions in order to fit their argument so that they may work backward to their desired conclusion in an exercise that seems viciously circular. See my quotations below for an example.
StatlerWaldorf knows Yahweh's morality is good. The reason he knows Yahweh's morality is good is because Yahweh is the ultimate standard of goodness. Since Yahweh is the ultimate standard of goodness, that which he commands and does is good. Since everything Yahweh says and does is good, that means we can use him as the ultimate standard of goodness. And since he's the ultimate standard of goodness, that means his morality is good. We know that Yahweh is good because we know that Yahweh is good because we know that Yahweh is good because we know that Yahweh is good because we know that Yahweh is good because...
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
