Challenge to atheists: I find your lack of faith disturbing!

[*Deidre*]

Why necropost instead of posting in a more recent thread?

I've read your posts as I've come across them on here Aractus, and while you are very smart and articulate, you come across condescending and berating. You started a thread in the off topic section essentially mocking fat people. Calling them dumb. You've called people trolls and dismiss people who don't know Bible history quite like you.

Wow, nice way to generalize.

Yes I think most people are unbelievably stupid - I've said this dozens of times already, so what? My brother, who's 28, is a smoker - our father died of cancer at 48 and he is waiting for his own cancer? His best friend got Leukaemia a couple of years ago and nearly died, and he also smokes - I told him he should stop smoking, he says to me "why, I already had cancer" - and I said - "yes, but it doesn't mean you can't also get lung cancer". Hell I would have thought that going through that much pain and suffering would have scared him to death of getting cancer again, but I guess I was wrong.

Waiting for bad things to happen to you is not a good plan in life.

Anyone can quote Scripture. Anyone can do extensive research relating to the history of Christianity. According to Christians, Satan himself can! lol So, what does your faith actually mean to you? That would be a more powerful testimony than scolding us and ridiculing our lack of Bible history knowledge.

A lot of the atheist response on this forum towards certain matters of history are completely ignorant of the facts - of course I'm going to call people out on that. It's not because they "don't know" their history, but rather that they actually deny accepted history like say Holocaust Denial. As I've said many times, if you are going to present an alternate history to an event which is generally accepted by historians you need to present evidence.

St. Francis of Assisi was noted as saying, "Preach the gospel, use words if necessary." Otherwise, why bother? People should be able to tell that your faith means something without you uttering a word. That is one of the reasons non believers get turned off.

Not judging you, not my place. But you are certainly not in a place to judge anyone who doesn't believe as you do. Just my two cents FWIW.

So? Not everything has to be politically correct. Just because I say some things that people may not want to hear doesn't mean that it's because I hold them in contempt or anything of the sort.

I appreciate your reply, here.

Re: the Holocaust, that has historical evidence to support it. The Biblical 'story' is just that, a story. Historians are guessing at 'what might have actually taken place,' based on using the Bible as their main reference. Without the Bible, there is no story.

And if you lined up 100 historians in a room, and asked them to decipher the Bible and give their best guess as to what might have happened, if Jesus actually existed, etc...you'd get 100 different answers. Taking the Bible and making wild assumptions and historical guesses out of it doesn't build a credible historical case for it.

It is still 'just a story,' and it is only relevant in a religious sense. The Holocaust has bona fide evidence to support it. I wouldn't use that as your argument to support your assertion that the Bible has historical merit as well.

A man named Jesus 'might' have existed. A man named Adolf Hitler really did exist. A man named Jesus 'might' have been executed. A man named Adolf Hitler spearheaded the Nazi party which diabolically killed millions of Jews, during WWII. WWII really happened. Jesus being executed 'might' have happened. Jesus might have taught a lot of things relating to a god.

During that timeframe, it was not uncommon for people to believe that ''gods'' were impregnating mere mortals. Hmmm...then, the fantastic story emerges about Jesus being born of a ''virgin.'' Coincidence?

I don't know many people who hang their hats on historical evidence based off of 'maybes' and 'might have happened.' But, many allow religion to get away with it. Historians are guessing, based on how people lived back during Biblical times. But, that doesn't prove Jesus existed, let alone the tall tale that the NT paints. My thought is that Jesus (the man) may have existed, and the NT story (attaching Divinity to him, etc)was a fabrication of his existence, in order to 'create' a religion designed to dominate.

This is just my opinion, but I think this because if you believe any of the NT, it would seem that Jesus was a Socialist, dead set against religion. Why would he want a religion BUILT AROUND him? Logically, that doesn't make sense.

On another note, I hear you about being politically correct. But, I remember when I was following Christianity, and it bothered me how there seemed to be a superior attitude amongst those who follow it. It really is why Christianity has such a hard time at this point in history. There's just not enough Mother Teresa's...so onlookers to the faith don't see any relevance if it's just a label people wear to set themselves apart from the rest of the herd. Not saying this is you, just sharing my view on it. Reciting Bible passages, and such...it falls on deaf ears/eyes if the person behind the words lacks humility. If we are to believe Jesus existed, he was an example of humility. Since he is the 'leader' of who Christians supposedly follow, might be wise if more mirrored him. Atheists aren't really a threat to Christianity, but rather Christians are; Christians are destroying what is left of Christianity, slowly but surely. It's rather ironic. But, not surprising.

Re: your brother, I'm sorry to read that. You can only plant seeds, people have to do the rest. It is frustrating to watch people we care for purposely (?) not try to help themselves. But, it is more perhaps that they are overwhelmed by their mess, and truly don't know how to clean it up...so they 'give up.'