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Can love exist without hate?
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RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Thank you. I am so relieved that my instinct that there was something wrong with this argument is correct.

It is simply a longer and more detailed version of the argument, 'Why does a loving God allow the creation of people who use their free will to do evil?' For example, God know (and always has known) that someone born today will, in 25 years time, rape and murder a child. God good prevent such horror with the tiniest of miracles, such as not allowing the egg to implant in the uterine wall.

Now, let's watch the theists try and wriggle out of THAT one.

Boru

(March 23, 2014 at 6:22 pm)sven Wrote: ...or God could just not give us free will to begin with.

Theists actually have a pretty good counter to that one.

God loves us and wants us to love him in return. Since you can't force someone to love you (if you do, it isn't really 'love') God, logically, has to give us the option of not loving him.

Where this one falls down is that God seems to want to visit horrendous punishment on the people who exercise that option.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Cinjin - March 23, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 4:42 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by CapnAwesome - March 23, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Anomalocaris - March 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by BrokenQuill92 - March 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by sven - March 23, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by MysticKnight - March 23, 2014 at 5:57 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by sven - March 23, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Rahul - March 23, 2014 at 6:30 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Rahul - March 23, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Phatt Matt s - March 23, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by xr34p3rx - March 23, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 23, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 24, 2014 at 1:23 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Jackalope - March 23, 2014 at 11:45 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 23, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Mudhammam - March 24, 2014 at 2:05 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 24, 2014 at 2:06 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Jackalope - March 24, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Mudhammam - March 24, 2014 at 2:07 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 24, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 24, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Jackalope - March 24, 2014 at 2:48 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 24, 2014 at 2:58 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by Jackalope - March 24, 2014 at 3:01 am
RE: Can love exist without hate? - by tor - March 24, 2014 at 3:01 am

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