RE: The first Christians weren't Bible Christians
March 24, 2014 at 3:28 am
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2014 at 3:33 am by Aractus.)
(March 23, 2014 at 11:52 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: What you said about the Catholic Church not knowing what the correct canon was until the 16th Century is a cherished myth void of truth and can easily be proven so.You haven't tried to trace the history of the LXX and Apocrypha. If you had this would be a very different discussion. The Latin Vulgate has its own Apocrypha section of three books rejected from the scriptures at the time, banished from the canon, and still rejected by Catholics, Protestants and Jews.
The Jewish canon can be traced all the way back to Christ very nicely. It is arranged into 3 sections - "Law", "Prophets" and "Writings"/"Psalms". There's overwhelming evidence for this, and this is the version of scriptures that Jesus is familiar with:
- Luke 24:44: Then (Jesus) said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
There are six bodies of text that contemporary scholars consult for the Old Testament:
- Masoretic Text (10th century)
- Qumran Text (2nd cent BC-2nd cent AD)
- Samaritan Pentateuch (composition c. 200-100 BC, earliest copy 11th century AD)
- Septuagint (composition c. 1st cent BC-2nd cent AD - no complete ancient manuscripts of the LXX) Main Manuscripts: Codex Marchalianus (6th cent.), Codex Vaticanus (4th cent.), Codex Sinaiticus (4th cent.), Codex Alexandrinus (5th cent.), Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (5th cent.) and, finally Codex Chisianus (9th cent. and the only manuscript to contain the LXX book of Daniel as it appeared in the Hexapla, besides the fragmentary P967).
- The Peshitta (Syriac, Authors unknown, date unknown).
- Vulgate (Latin, early 5th cent. the primary textual basis for the OT followed the LXX as it appeared in the Hexapla with the exception of Daniel which followed Theodotion's Daniel).
What you call the LXX has been shortened anyway, originally the LXX included the Prayer of Manasseh, 3 Esdras and 4 Esdras which ever since the Vulgate has forever been banished to non-canon status.
In any case the LXX traces back to the Hexapla, where it is beyond doubt that Origen substantially modified it as he went along (he even marked the areas that he changed). Jerome himself attests to this fact.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke