RE: A Question for Gay Men
March 24, 2014 at 4:33 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2014 at 4:41 pm by My imaginary friend is GOD.)
(March 24, 2014 at 12:32 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I'm not sure whether this was aimed towards my post or just a general statement, but my take is that when gay guys have this sort of voice it's almost like they are trying to announce the fact that they are gay. My nephew acts pretty feminine and he's grown up in a household of women and his step-brother is gay and visits often (he's also excessively feminine). I can only imagine that this behaviour is subconsciously learnt. I just don't understand why this happens, and I must admit I find it rather annoying when a guy acts feminine seemingly only because of their sexual preference.Okay, let me reintegrate what I have said that I am pretty sure no guy actively chooses to have a "gay" lisp. I don't know even know if there is actually a REASON for some gay men having a gay lisp.
I feel I should make a correction to my earlier post though, using the word 'problem' is a bad move on my part. I have as much a problem with these gay guys who act feminine as I do with loud obnoxious people. I fully endorse their right to act such a way but I just can't help but find it annoying. I guess that may be irrational but there it is.
I am even reasonably sure that to a large degree, exactly how "feminine" anybody acts is at least partially because they just are that feminine, and partially because they identify with a group (I'm going to say it's probably either women or homosexual men) to such a degree that they think acting more "feminine" fundamentally identifies them as part of that group. The other factor is how much they are just trying to meet society's expectations; I think it is expected by SOCIETY for whatever reason that being "feminine" is inherently part of what it means to be a man and homosexual simultaneously. And of course, it is expected for those who are female to be "feminine."
Personally, I think the concept of "feminine" or "masculine" is just stupid to begin with. Is it not just assigning gender roles and gender stereotypes and expectations for what it means to be of a certain gender? If so, I definitely think that is fundamentally stupid. But this is probably because I do not at all identify with the concept of "femininty" or "masculinity" or "gender" at all. I am probably just an oddball, but I don't think it is even possible for me to even begin to understand why people cling so desperately to these concepts and care to any degree how true it is that someone is "feminine" or "masculine" at all. I know this is something that is conditioned through culture and true of every culture, I just don't understand WHY. I know some of why, just not enough for it to make sense to me.
(March 24, 2014 at 2:11 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Exactly. But there seem to be higher incidences of effeminate men being gay and tomboyish women being lesbian. Whatever the modifier is, it seems to me to be a semi-reliable marker. I don't think this is entirely stereotype.No, it's not at all entirely stereotype. This is because there are ways in which homosexuality in women and homosexuality in men are just completely different things. I won't go into the specific ways this is true, because if you care enough about it you can do more research into homosexuality and if you look at enough of the RELIABLE data to the degree that the data could possibly be reliable, you will gradually understand more and more ways in which this is true.
I don't feel like doing it for you simply because I know you will not believe the things I say just because I say them are true, and I do not want to spend time hunting down the reliable studies which show the that everything I am saying is true. That would be EFFORT. And it's just not worth it to me right now.