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Animal Slavery
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RE: Animal Slavery
(March 26, 2014 at 6:50 pm)sven Wrote: That depends on what you mean by right. Before the slaves were emancipated in the USA, I believe slave holders had a legal right to own people as property. Do I believe that this was good from my etichal viewpont?
I'm speaking of morality or ethics.
Quote:No, not at all. I am a secular humanist, so I believe that we as human beings have to decide together what is acceptable human behavior. What I am trying to say is that humanity treats animals the way it does because it is able to. The opposition isn't strong enough to prevent it, and the animals obviously lack the ability. Those who are for animal rights must face a fait accompli type of situation that has been in place since human history began -- long before that, even.
Having a right and being right isn't always the same thing.
So, in your opinion, is human treatment of animals ethical?

(March 27, 2014 at 6:20 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: So they've got to quote it before I can point out the inconsistency?

Meh, I think I'll just carry on.

So, John, could you clear up the confusion?
I can try. What exactly is your question?

BTW, note that the OP asked questions, and I've tried to keep my responses in that form as well. I'm exploring the issue. For the record I own pets and eat meat, eggs, and dairy products, so if such use of animals is slavery, I too am a slaver both directly and indirectly.

(March 26, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: You know, I've mentioned this twice now, and he just keeps ignoring it...
I ignore you because I dislike you and you're not necessary for this discussion. Same reason I ignored Minimalist.
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Messages In This Thread
Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by No_God - March 26, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Esquilax - March 26, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Esquilax - March 26, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Esquilax - March 26, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 26, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Little Rik - March 27, 2014 at 7:09 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 27, 2014 at 7:17 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Little Rik - March 27, 2014 at 7:27 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 27, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 26, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Minimalist - March 26, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Losty - March 26, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by KUSA - March 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 26, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by No_God - March 26, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Lemonvariable72 - March 26, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by paulpablo - March 26, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 26, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 26, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 26, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by truthBtold - March 26, 2014 at 6:37 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by No_God - March 26, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 26, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 26, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 27, 2014 at 7:28 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 27, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 26, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Minimalist - March 26, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 26, 2014 at 2:28 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 26, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 26, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Kayenneh - March 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Minimalist - March 26, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Cato - March 26, 2014 at 4:08 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Doggey75 - March 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm
Re: RE: Animal Slavery - by KUSA - March 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 26, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 26, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 26, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by KUSA - March 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 26, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Rahul - March 26, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Heywood - March 26, 2014 at 11:32 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 27, 2014 at 3:57 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Heywood - March 27, 2014 at 4:57 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 27, 2014 at 6:20 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 26, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 27, 2014 at 5:16 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 28, 2014 at 2:58 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 28, 2014 at 7:14 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Rahul - March 28, 2014 at 7:43 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 28, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 30, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 30, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by truthBtold - March 30, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Tonus - March 28, 2014 at 7:55 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 28, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 28, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 28, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - March 30, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 30, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - April 1, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - April 1, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - April 2, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - April 2, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - April 2, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by James2014 - April 2, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - April 2, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by James2014 - April 2, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - April 2, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by James2014 - April 2, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 28, 2014 at 7:18 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 28, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by ShaMan - March 28, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 28, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 28, 2014 at 6:27 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 28, 2014 at 7:29 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 28, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 29, 2014 at 9:21 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 11:44 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 29, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 29, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 29, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by ShaMan - March 28, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Rahul - March 28, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by LastPoet - March 29, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by LastPoet - March 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - March 29, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - March 29, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by LastPoet - March 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by sven - March 29, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - March 29, 2014 at 6:04 pm
Animal Slavery - by Rampant.A.I. - April 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fromper - April 2, 2014 at 6:06 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by Angrboda - April 2, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - April 3, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by Fromper - April 3, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Animal Slavery - by bennyboy - April 3, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Animal Slavery - by John V - April 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm

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