(April 1, 2014 at 8:58 am)alpha male Wrote: So, my opponent thinks that morphological and genetic analyses lead to the same evolutionary relationships, and this is further evidence that he's wrong.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's what you accused your opponent of thinking, and he just didn't pick you up on your wording. Of course, he can speak for himself and, given that I disagree with the point you're attempting to disprove too, I don't see much point in bringing that up to me.
Quote:No, I did not find refinement, or results that aren't precisely the same. I found results which are totally inconsistent with the accepted classification. You think it seems about right, but the researcher said the results were stunningly different than what we anticipated.
As I said, genetic discoveries can and should supersede the earlier morphological ones where applicable; that's just a process of learning new things using all of our methods for doing so, rather than one at a time. Morphology is a good start, but as we've known for quite a while, the evolutionary lineages of various species aren't as clear as just what looks like what.
Quote:I'm presenting evidence, and you're denying it. Ironically that's what I'm being accused of.
Oh, not at all: I accept that the evidence is there, I just disagree the extent to which it reflects upon the rest of evolutionary biology. What you linked to is called learning, not some kind of invalidation of the fact that morphology and genetics show evidence consistent with current evolutionary theory.
Quote:Yes, this certainly is evidence supporting my claim that morphologic and genetic analyses indicate different evolutionary relationships, so different that they're called "totally inconsistent" and "stunningly different."
I know that cherry picking comes easily to you, but I did actually read the entire link, and not just the few words you want me to focus on. You're not going to convince anyone that morphology and genetics show completely different things just because some species of salamanders had to be redistributed along the branches of their corner of taxonomy.

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