Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Esquilax]

"Because otherwise we ask what created god and the whole argument falls apart". people that understand that God isn't confined to this cosmic timeline don't ask that question because an entity not constrained by time need not have been created. the physical laws only apply to this universe.

See, this right here is exactly what I was talking about earlier, with regards to Kalam. This is precisely the demonstration of how intellectually vapid it is: how the fuck do you know any of what you just said?

You don't have any evidence of that, anything you can point to that demonstrates what you're saying is true; you're just inventing ad hoc excuses here, just like when Kalam added "begins to exist" to the beginning of the Cosmological argument. An objection to it comes up, and so the theist just asserts some property to negate the objection, sight unseen, and with no additional information or evidence to justify that addition. It's just fantasy layered upon fantasy, designed to make theists feel like they've got some simplistic gotcha answer; there is no difference between the increasingly altered Cosmological argument and a child playing pretend with his friends and saying he has an "everything-proof shield" when one of them mimes shooting at him.

And I guarantee you that if scientists discovered that time exists beyond the universe tomorrow, this argument would change yet again and your imaginary crap about "cosmic timelines" would vanish like the useless vestigial limb it is. Don't try to con us, Snowy; your crap is as transparent now as it was the day you started posting here.