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Problem of Divine Freedom
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RE: Problem of Divine Freedom
(April 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 11, 1970 at 2:43 pm)Senshi Wrote: No one said illogical but you! God being under the rule of law implies there is a governance greater than him which determines what he cannot, therefore he does not have absolute control over the universe, HE CANNOT CHANGE THESE LAWS

How can you blame an undeveloped mind? We don't hold the insane accountable for their actions because they lack the ability to make sound judgments or monitor their behavior. There is nothing immoral or sinful about anything a baby or a toddler can possibly do, even if it results in people dying.

The law of logic doesn't need to preexist. any illogical creator couldn't possibly exist. I never mentioned "absolute control" as if logically consistent wasn't important.

Again, how do you know? Can you see the future? Can God?

Again, no one said anything about it pre-existing or illogical but you! Without unconditional control over the universe the creator's role and level of power is questionable.

Are you implying that all of the babies and toddlers that died in the flood would grow up to be sinners? Well guess what it still doesn't make any sense even if that is the case. We're all "sinners" so killing them is still unjustified.
PM me if you know where this is from "...knees in the breeze" and don't look it up!!
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Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by CapnAwesome - April 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by RobbyPants - April 18, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by bennyboy - April 16, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 6:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 6:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:56 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by sven - April 17, 2014 at 6:07 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 11:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by archangle - April 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:52 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 19, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Paraselene - April 19, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Tonus - April 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm

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