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Christian Logic
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RE: Christian Logic
(April 18, 2014 at 10:03 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Indeed and I sometimes wonder if Islam is an offshoot of or related to Ebionite Christianity.

Interesting idea. I found an article written by a Muslim

Sourcematerial on the Ebionites, from Eusebius and Irenaeus

Quote:Some people think that the early Jewish-Christians are the "true Christians" from an Islamic point of view. One of the early Jewish-Christian groups were known as the Ebionites. The Ebionites believed that Jesus was a man, not God, as Muslims do. A segment of them believed that Jesus was of a virgin birth, as Muslims also do, while a segment of them denied the virgin birth. The Ebionites practised Jewish Law, as according to Islam, the followers of Jesus (a.s.) were supposed to.

I have dug up some of the original source material on the Ebionites from Eusebius's History of the Church, and also from Ireneaus's polemical writings. These are anti-Ebionite polemical writings, so we can't always consider that what they say is accurate, however some people may be interested in having access to the source material.

The Ebionites were supposed to have rejected St Paul.

Ebionites

Quote: Epiphanius relates that the Ebionites opposed the Apostle Paul, whom they saw as responsible that gentile Christians did not have to be circumcised, nor otherwise follow the Law of Moses, and named him an apostate.[22] Epiphanius further relates that some Ebionites alleged that Paul was a Greek who converted to Judaism in order to marry the daughter of a high priest of Israel but apostatized when she rejected him.[83][84]

Paul the Apostle - Islamic View

Quote:Paul's name is mentioned in several Islamic hadiths of the Shia sect of Islam, and in some of them he is mentioned as the deceiver of the Christians, and along with people like Cain, Nimrod, Fir'aun and Samiri, is punished in a stage of Hell called Saqar. Another hadith found in books of the Shia stream of Islam mentions demons that mislead people after prophets, and names Paul as the demon that misled people after Jesus.[121][122] Also, some authentic hadiths narrated in Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Jami al-Tirmidhi, among other books, mention that in the afterlife, autarch and arrogant people are imprisoned in a jail named "Paulus", which is the most painful location of hell.[123][124]
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Christian Logic - by Vegamo - April 17, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 17, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 17, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Lek - April 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 17, 2014 at 5:21 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Lek - April 17, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 18, 2014 at 7:13 am
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 18, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Christian Logic - by tokutter - April 18, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Christian Logic - by Lek - April 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Brian37 - April 18, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 19, 2014 at 4:13 am
RE: Christian Logic - by Silver - April 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by jesus_wept - April 17, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Cyberman - April 17, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Simon Moon - April 17, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Silver - April 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 17, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Faith No More - April 17, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by RobbyPants - April 17, 2014 at 3:14 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by truthBtold - April 17, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Bob Kelso - April 17, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Jacob(smooth) - April 17, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Lek - April 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 18, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 18, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: Christian Logic - by DeistPaladin - April 18, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 18, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Christian Logic - by LostLocke - April 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by ronedee - April 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Silver - April 18, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by FifthElement - April 18, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Confused Ape - April 18, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by RobbyPants - April 18, 2014 at 7:17 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Jacob(smooth) - April 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Godlesspanther - April 18, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: Christian Logic - by Polaris - April 18, 2014 at 5:33 pm

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