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Problem of Divine Freedom
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RE: Problem of Divine Freedom
(April 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 18, 2014 at 11:32 am)Senshi Wrote: No you didn't say why! Now that we got this far and both agree god doesn't have absolute control let's ask the next question. Is god all knowing?

A disease is a bad analogy, because everyone is still affected by the disease 'sin' so the cleansing efforts went to waste. And, finally if god knows the future 1. why would he wait and ask them to repent again and again if he knew they wouldn't 2. why would god not kill off the first few ants who spread the disease before he would have to do something like a great flood?

You didn't answer the question.

Yes I did say why. I said that "absolute" as you're saying it means that God can do the illogical.

That doesn't limit God. God is all powerful. And all knowing.

That's how he knows more than you do and is able to judge where you aren't.

2. In this analogy God let the humans have time to change their ways. It wasn't too late to solve the problem. And again, you're assuming that you know better than a being that know everything.

1. There always has to be the choice. You, knowing that your choice to do bad was self destructive, choose not to change. Justice still has to be served.

To answer your question yes I know more than god, I know more than any character in any fairy tale because they don't exist and therefore can't know anything.

I also have more freedom than god because I can do the illogical and logical, If what you'er saying is true.

Quote:There always has to be the choice. You, knowing that your choice to do bad was self destructive, choose not to change.

So why was it too late for the babies and toddlers? Why didn't they get a chance to make a choice?

Quote:How do you know that they're innocent?

Because it's a fact that they can't be held accountable for any of their actions. As for them getting killed off early because they would choose a corrupt path later, it doesn't hold together, you just said" there has to be a choice"
PM me if you know where this is from "...knees in the breeze" and don't look it up!!
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Messages In This Thread
Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by CapnAwesome - April 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by RobbyPants - April 18, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by bennyboy - April 16, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 6:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 6:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:56 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by sven - April 17, 2014 at 6:07 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 11:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by archangle - April 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:52 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 19, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Silver - April 19, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Tonus - April 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm

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