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Christianity is easy (a step to extinction)
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RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction)
(April 19, 2014 at 5:15 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Lek Wrote: No. Faith in Christ is a prerequisite to being a christian. A person who does have faith in Christ will be comitted to living a good lifestyle because it is his desire to do Jesus' will. If I don't desire to do his will then I don't have faith. Also, if I live a good lifestyle and deny the existence of God, I am not a christian, even if I call myself one. Faith is what saves you and your lifestyle is evidence of your faith.

So, faith is the prerequisite, and your adherence to the doctrine constitutes your skill level at being a christian, which was sort of my point. A christian who believes honestly and follows as many of the commandments as possible- and you yourself admit that even those who try their hardest fall to sin occasionally- is still a christian no matter how many times they fail. There's no point at which your actions would suddenly make you "not a christian" anymore, under your logic, you'd just be a bad christian.

The worst professional soccer player in the world is still a professional soccer player, he doesn't suddenly become not a soccer player because he fails at his chosen task. It's so weird; you christians accept that sin is a constant temptation and that faith is a means to save oneself from that, but then whenever a christian does something that reflects poorly on your religion all of that goes out the window and suddenly faith doesn't matter because your actions determine whether or not you're a christian. You can't have it both ways.

If I am devoted to being a professional soccer player and I'm told not to touch the ball with my hands, I won't touch the ball with my hands as a rule. Sometimes the ball may be speeding toward my face and I will put my hands up to block the ball. I know it's against the rules and I'm upset that I did it, so I try in the future to block it with my head or chest. Likewise, I might decide on the spur of the moment to make an illegal tackle, but I know this is wrong and won't make me a good soccer player, so I try to correct myself. From time to time, I mess up and I try again, but I really want to be a great player. Someone who desires to follow Christ will likewise generally succeed, with some failures along the way, especially when calling upon God for help and guidance. He's not alone, but he has the Holy Spirit to call upon. If I really want to be a great soccer player I will , as a matter of course, try to do what it takes to be one. The same for somone comitted to following Christ. If I'm not comitted, then I'll do what comes easier. Whether people care or don't care will eventually become evident in their lives. God, at the same time, looks at peoples hearts and efforts as well as their actions.
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Messages In This Thread
Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Vegamo - April 17, 2014 at 6:27 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 18, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 19, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 19, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Christianity is easy (a step to extinction) - by Lek - April 19, 2014 at 11:12 pm

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