The nearness to God factor. How do Atheists feel about moving higher or lower?

[Cyberman]

Bolding mine to demonstrate where you palmed a card. What you feel to be true is irrelevant; what you can demonstrate to be true is the key.

I think I've repeated many times how I differ with Atheists with respect to this. I do think what feel is true is important irrelevant to whether we can demonstrate it to be true or not. Our feeling of certain morals for example since children - we had no philosophical justification - but believed in them and could not demonstrate them to be true.

You're conflating awareness of things and belief in those things with feelings about them. Don't get trapped in the language.

Atheists? No idea. Me personally? Towards being the best human I know how to be.

But when the human is the best at it can be, it is at a higher reality or is simply a conceptual thing?

Higher reality? What does that mean? Higher than what? Than it was before, or than someone else's? Besides which, youre palming another card here. Neither you nor I were talking about being at the best at anything; up to now the subject was "gravitating towards". I don't ever claim to be the best human, nor even the best I can be, but I can work towards becoming better than I was. I'm speaking in terms of the social comtract, in case there's any misunderstandings.

You're missing something.

I think I might be.

Never mind; that's the nature and purpose of discussion: the meaningful exchange of ideas and information.

First show that "God" is in the picture, then we can talk.

We already can talk, does that mean I've shown God is in the picture or you made a mistake

No, it means that you are again being led astray by the language. That we can talk is obvious - that we have something of substance to talk about, not so much.