The nearness to God factor. How do Atheists feel about moving higher or lower?

[Cyberman]

You're conflating awareness of things and belief in those things with feelings about them. Don't get trapped in the language.

I think you are getting trapped in language. I don't go around saying "I am aware of God's existence..." because it sounds arrogant, even if I believe I am. I use words "I feel..." "I believe.." as etiquette.

You have to lapse into feeling-type language, even if you're not aware of it, because making claims of awareness of the existence of "God" isn't so much arrogant as a minefield to defend.

Higher reality? What does that mean? Higher than what? Than it was before, or than someone else's? Besides which, youre palming another card here. Neither you nor I were talking about being at the best at anything; up to now the subject was "gravitating towards". I don't ever claim to be the best human, nor even the best I can be, but I can work towards becoming better than I was. I'm speaking in terms of the social comtract, in case there's any misunderstandings.

But I'm talking about this sort of thing. I'm not discussing conceptually becoming a better person, but what we gravitate towards when we become better people. I talked about how I feel we gravitate towards God. In absence of God, I'm trying to see what Atheists feel they gravitate towards. It seems nothing is the answer. But what does this do with higher and lower ranks of existence? Are they all imaginary illusions?

There are no higher or lower levels of existence - if things exist, they share the same level of existence regardless of your personal feelings on the matter.

No, it means that you are again being led astray by the language. That we can talk is obvious - that we have something of substance to talk about, not so much.

It seems we can talk about something of substance regarding this subject, whether I demonstrate there being a god or not.

There you go, feeling about the place again. We can definitely discuss such things, but they remain in the realms of the hypothetical until such time as they can be demonstrated to connect to anything real. That's where you have the ball in your court.