RE: The nearness to God factor. How do Atheists feel about moving higher or lower?
April 22, 2014 at 9:44 am
(April 21, 2014 at 3:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Well it's not simply power, it's that it's the ultimate existence, the highest being, the being that excels in all qualities of perfection and who highness cannot ever be reached by creation. It's the Highest in love and goodness as well as power. It's not simply power that I worship, although, in reality ultimate power is ultimate love/goodness.
How do you know this perfection exists?
(April 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: An argument can be made on the lines of this.
When we perform good actions and become better people, we ascend in stages of existence.
Ascension in stages of existence is only explained by existence of God.
Therefore God exists.
Interested in which of these two premises Atheists here have a problem with. 1 or 2? Or both?
If I eat pizza, do I ascend to being more pizza-like? If yes, why? If no, why?
I'm not asking that to be rude or dismissive. It's just, it seems like you've taken an arbitrary quality (goodness) and assumed it is somehow a thing something which can be gradually obtained by doing it.
I mean, yes, "strength" and "stamina" can be obtained by exercise. "Obesity" can be obtained by over eating. Those are things we can observe and measure.
"Goodness" seems somewhat immeasurable, and no one has a good definition for what it is. So, saying that we become more good by being good but will always fall short of absolute good seems both like word salad and like something you're just making up.
