Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 21, 2026, 4:44 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
What would it take for you to believe in God?
#92
RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
(April 29, 2014 at 10:56 pm)te1148 Wrote: I depend on faith, because I think faith is superior to reason. Reason rests in what my own mental faculties can comprehend. Also, I see a huge problem with what "facts". Facts are always interpreted and therefore subject to error. Also, I think my presuppositions are tested and proven true nearly every day. One of my presuppositions is that I am really sinful and don't deserve any good whatsoever. I believe that my sin has earned me eternal punishment in Hell, but by faith in Jesus, God gives me grace and shows me favor, instead of the punishment I deserve. I see that presupposition proven true every day.

I don't think there are any ways to prove 100% that God exists. God never seeks to prove that He exists. He just exists. Reason, intellect, and evidences are not enough.

So basically, what you experience in the real world contradicts what your book tells you, and your solution is to say: "I can't trust what I experience because reasoning and facts are wrong and subject to error."

Can't you see how intellectually backwards this is? When you start with the fact that your presupposition cannot be wrong, you are invalidating your faculties of reasoning. Why trust anything you experience? Why is it curiously only the things that contradict your god claim that are untrustworthy?

Personally, I abhor any dogma that preaches that man is broken and worthless. What a shitty thing to teach people, to teach children. It's disgusting. I don't need a god to be a good person. I treat people well, give back to my community, love my family, and do good by others, all without your god. How's that possible?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---
Reply



Messages In This Thread
What would it take for you to believe in God? - by te1148 - April 29, 2014 at 8:57 pm
RE: What would it take for you to believe in God? - by SteelCurtain - April 29, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  I believe the Bible is God's Word arealquestion 75 25451 July 25, 2025 at 1:51 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  GOD's Mercy While It Is Still Today - Believe! Mercyvessel 102 26308 January 9, 2022 at 1:31 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Question to theists: When to take the bible literally? T.J. 22 5752 November 26, 2021 at 6:14 pm
Last Post: onlinebiker
  Why I can't take the Gospels seriously. Jehanne 39 11496 June 18, 2021 at 9:34 am
Last Post: Jackie
  [Serious] What would you want in a church tackattack 44 11019 March 11, 2019 at 10:10 am
Last Post: chimp3
  In the end, there's just what you personally believe Paraselene 31 11117 August 12, 2018 at 2:27 pm
Last Post: LadyForCamus
Question What would it take? Bow Before Zeus 65 22190 December 15, 2017 at 9:49 am
Last Post: Drich
  On this world if humans ceased to exist would god cease to exist? brewer 58 23092 November 24, 2017 at 3:17 am
Last Post: pocaracas
  Jesus Would Be Proud of You, Douchebag Minimalist 37 16323 August 21, 2017 at 2:03 pm
Last Post: downbeatplumb
  Hi, I would like to tell you about Jesus Christ, the only way to God JacquelineDeane55 78 34834 June 10, 2017 at 9:46 am
Last Post: Fireball



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)