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[Godscreated]

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Christianity does not promote violence, a few people who claim to be Christians do violent acts, just as many who claim to be atheist do violent acts. So you haven't debunked anything other than you having integrity.

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False. The bible promotes violence against gay people and other groups of people, in many passages.

All of the Bible does not represent Christianity, I know that might surprise you but it's true, Jesus gave us the way we should live, you should try and understand the things He taught.

I personally object to gays because it goes against nature and God says the act is perverted.

Which is exactly what they would say to a homosexual right before they execute them...You are morally bankrupt, and for what, to genuflect to a made up deity.

Because I believe that practicing gays go against nature and I believe what God teaches about such acts makes me morally bankrupt, yet you would hang a Christian and call it a good deed.

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You are kidding right, well maybe you are that out of the loop of world events, the news covers this once in awhile. Slave trade for workers and especially in the illegal sex markets. Actually I believe you are not so dense you do not know about this, you conveniently disregard it so you can stay comfortable with it.
Who feed you that bag full of crap and you bought it no less.

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How does that have anything to do with Secularism? That's what dense.

Christian groups are fighting against the horrific action, the churches are giving money to aid them in their work, so Christianity is fighting against this, so what's left the secular world. That's the part you are associated with.

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Today's church is not responsible for what the church did a thousand years ago, you are still confusing the Catholic church with the Protestant church, you need to define who you are talking about.

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But you said Christianity doesn't promote violence and I blew that out of the water. Just another liar for Jeebus huh?

You are getting denser by the day, the only thing you might have possibly blow is your nose. Show me that Christianity promotes violence or quit spewing out such nonsense.

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I never said Christians do no wrong, we make our fair share of mistakes and I never said that some Christians do not condone violence, I said Christianity does not and that the church does not, but I know this must be very difficult for you to figure out.

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But the religion clearly fucking does promote violence, actually read the fucking book objectively. And Christianity promoted the Nazi movement and vice verse so you might want to tread lightly on this topic lest you want to keep looking foolish.

If you want to get into history of what Nazi-Germany promoted and what Christianity really is then go ahead, I've been down this path a few times and I will walk quite loudly if you persist. Again Christianity has never promoted violence and never will.

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The only thing you have exposed is your small mind and your bigoted ideas about something you have no idea about.

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Says the bigoted retard who's about to say below this that Atheists commit all the crimes you see on TV, which is bullshit since we're only a fraction of the population. And if you look at prison stats it's filled with mostly, what's that? oh yeah, Christians.

I said most crimes are committed by atheist, anyone who is not a believer in Christ is an atheist (my definition). All those I named below can't be Christians, read the scriptures and you might see why, though I know you wouldn't admit it. Just because people call themselves Christian does not make them on, there are spiritual requirements, but as I have said before you do not understand that, not because you're dense but because you are blind. Yes there are many in prison who are Christians, Paul and most of the apostles were in prison, the Christian churches have many prison ministries.

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When I turn on the news all I see is atheist who kill, rob old women, sell drugs to children, shoot those who try their best to uphold the law, make crack to ruin the lives of families across this country.

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I would love to see you prove that you little twit. And If you keep wanting to re-write history you might want to work for the Texas board of Education.

I answered this above but so you can hear it again, people who commit those type of terrible acts are not Christians, only those who do not care can do such terrible acts against other human beings, so you see I did not say all atheist were bad people, just the ones who commit those type of crimes.

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and the atheist pedophiles who rape and murder countless innocent children in every city in this country, I could go on but I believe you can see what atheist are doing to this country.

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If you want to talk pedophiles you may want to tread even lighter, since pedophiles historically are usually very religious people. Usually the more heinous the crimes against children the more fundamentalist they tend to be.

You want me to quit this discussion don't you, why else would you be trying to warn me away. Being religious and being a Christian can be two very different things, Christ warned about being overly religious, those pedophiles in the Catholic church or any church for that matter are not what they might profess. They belong in jail with no chance of ever getting out, I think it's an injustice to humanity to allow such people to run loose.

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Now the above, you showing everyone here who is the one who condones violence. If you could get away with it you would probably make it a reality. You do have a talent of talking out both sides of your mouth, truly shameful. In the end we will see who knows how eternity will play out.

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Yeah, it's you condoning violence. You completely gloss over what's in your holy book. If you could get away with it, you would huh? So if you stopped believing you would become a rapist murderer.

I have even less respect for you than before. Keep your ass in church so you don't go on a rampage. You are a morally bankrupt automaton, chew on that for awhile.

Show me when I have condoned violence, I've shown that you do, well actually it was you who hung yourself by showing everyone what you really are.
I've never asked for your respect nor have I ever expected you would have respect for any believer, if you think you have hurt my feelings think it over again, Christians who come here and stay for as long as I have know we are hated by some so nothing that's said surprises us.
I will always defend my belief in the scriptures, I would be a sorry Christian if I did not, the scriptures do not need defending they stand on the truth that has been subscribed to them by God. So you can go on crying like a baby or man up and realize all people do not see the world through you biased eyes.

GC

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As for the gays, Christians have the right to object to their life style, I did before I was a Christian and I know other non believers that do now. The church does not condone violence upon anyone period.

I can resolve this really easily, GC: what does the bible say you should do with gay people?

It says you should kill them. That's literally the only thing it says. Not "disapprove of them," or "deny them marriage rights," it says you should put them to death.

So yes, perhaps (a mainstream, highly specific version of) the church doesn't condone violence. But it does so by specifically ignoring what the bible, the holy book of the religion supposed to be the direct word of god, says to do.

And there goes the credibility of the church in detailing what god actually wants.

Let's carry this a bit farther since you seem to miss out on so much scripture says. Christ said for us to love everyone even our enemies, He said love thy neighbor as thy self He called this the second greatest commandment. The first is love the Lord our God and said the second was like the first. If all mankind lived by the two commandments there would be no need for others, this is actually what God wants, detailing done.

GC

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I personally object to gays because it goes against nature and God says the act is perverted.

Let's break this down.

"it goes against nature"

In order to falsify this claim, all that needs to happen is to find one animal species besides the human that engages in same-sex acts. Just one and the claim bursts like a balloon.

Shall we try for 1,500?

Homosexuality is a social phenomenon and is most widespread among animals with a complex herd life.

Among the apes it is the females that create the continuity within the group. The social network is maintained not only by sharing food and the child rearing, but also by having sex. Among many of the female apes the sex organs swell up. So they rub their abdomens against each other," explains Petter Bockman and points out that animals have sex because they have the desire to, just like we humans.

Homosexual behaviour has been observed in 1,500 animal species.

"We're talking about everything from mammals to crabs and worms. The actual number is of course much higher. Among some animals homosexual behaviour is rare, some having sex with the same gender only a part of their life, while other animals, such as the dwarf chimpanzee, homosexuality is practiced throughout their lives."

Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observced that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.

"God says the act is perverted"

Actually, it says that men lying together as they would with women is an abomination, or a detestable act, or similar. No translation I've seen mentions the word "perverted". Put another way, "God" is saying the same thing as GC here - "eww, icky!" though I doubt even GC would go as far as to condone them being put to death.

However, let's not dwell on semantics when there is a larger point at stake. "God" has also been recorded as labelling many other things as abominations, or at the very least objectionable; from sex with - or even looking at - a woman on her period to trimming facial hair, from tattoos to wearing clothes of a wool and linen mix. How many of these commands should we follow, if we're going to be consistent?

Incidentally, aren't these things in the Old Testament - that part of the bible that fluffy Jesus supposedly fulfilled?

Regardless, none of these things represent anything like a guide to morality. They are nothing more than a list of pronouncements about certain specific acts. The trouble with having a list is that inevitably you end up floundering the moment you run across something that's not on the list.

So what's left?

"I personally object to gays"

Yeah, you got nothing but opinion; just the same as if 'gays' (your word) found you personally objectionable.

Those things you mention are biased to the hilt, if I took the time and I'm not for many reasons, I could find the opposite said, like ducks and geese that mate for life. The one statement you made about homosexual animals making better parents, just how did they get to be parents if they are homosexual, are you going to play the artificial insemination. Those ducks and geese that your boy said were homosexual, were most likely ones who lost their mates and become bonded through a mutual need for companionship the instinct for companionship in many animals is very strong. If you think that ducks and geese think like humans you need to worry about losing your mind. I bet you do not even know how a duck is able to get pregnant. If you believe animals will corn hole each other without objection I invite you to come try that with my rottweilers. I'll take pictures so everyone can see the results, wouldn't want to do such an experiment with no evidence to back it up would we.

GC